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      12-10-2019, 07:09 PM   #45
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All you ‘audiophiles’ need to listen the exhaust when you punch it. lol. Pure stereo joy.

That's the plan with the M5 I am ordering. I won't be upgrading the stereo in it. But I have major stereo upgrades in my Audi and currently being installed in my S63 AMG.
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here they are, note these settings give the music a 'brighter sound' since I listen to mostly classic rock (ACDC, GnR, Motley Crue, Queen etc) since the B&W system really shines in the mid range at higher volumes. I use the concert or on stage modes generally speaking.

Evey set of speakers is slightly different too so this might not sound good on yours, it's hard to say.


500Hz +2
1kHz +2
2kHz +1
Treble +3
Bass +4
Can I assume the other frequencies not listed above are set to neutral?
they're neutral, I'll take a pic and double check
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      12-11-2019, 06:30 AM   #47
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My car is not officially ordered yet, but when I do get it I can measure the stereo with my tuning rig and post results.

I use a 5 microphone array with Smaart and SysTune software to tune my competition systems.
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My wife and I enjoy the sound of the BW stereo in the M5. For the cost of the system I believe it is worth the price of admission. One could buy an Audison bit one audio processor and add it in to the M5 and adjust the system to your liking.

I'm in my 50's and back in the 80's when I was young Marine I installed Rockford Fosgate amps, speakers, and subs in my 1984 Camaro Z-28.

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here they are, note these settings give the music a 'brighter sound' since I listen to mostly classic rock (ACDC, GnR, Motley Crue, Queen etc) since the B&W system really shines in the mid range at higher volumes. I use the concert or on stage modes generally speaking.

Evey set of speakers is slightly different too so this might not sound good on yours, it's hard to say.


500Hz +2
1kHz +2
2kHz +1
Treble +3
Bass +4
Can I assume the other frequencies not listed above are set to neutral?
here you go
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Are these settings in your X5 ?? If so, it may not work well in the M5 because of the different acoustics of the interior
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Are these settings in your X5 ?? If so, it may not work well in the M5 because of the different acoustics of the interior
yes, as mentioned. it's a good starting point I suppose. I would've loved to keep to M5C order but driving a sedan here is suicide. Feel free to try it and let people know how it sounds in the M5. I use it mainly for rock/metal from the 80's but I also listen the usual variety of modern stuff too b
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Settings I use ...
Are you happy with it? How many clicks up/down are those on the various frequencies?
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Settings I use ...
Are you happy with it? How many clicks up/down are those on the various frequencies?
Generally happy with these settings ... let me check on the clicks for you.
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Yes if someone can recommend eq settings for the HK setup that would be great...the sound is pretty bad but hopefully i can optimize it. Tx!!
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I agree with most everything said here... something emphasized having recently come out of a 2018 AMG E63S with a Burmester which was sublime. However, after extensive tweaking, the following works for me with the B&W:
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Settings I use ...
Are you happy with it? How many clicks up/down are those on the various frequencies?
100 hz 6 clicks up
200 hz 1 click up
500 hz 1 click down
1 khz 1 down
2 khz 1 up
5khz 4 up
10 khz 3 up
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Sorry for being a bit off topic but does anyone know how to properly record exhaust sounds with high quality microphones? I feel like no matter what I do with my phone it just does not do the exhaust justice, it just sounds so flat everytime I try and doesn't sound nearly as good vs in person.

I really want to get some nice clips of outside vehicle revving and some tunnel runs now that I'm running Eventuri V2 intake with Keller DP/MP combo on Akrapovic exhaust. The car sounds absolutely mental and the turbo spool sound is so addicting!
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Sorry for being a bit off topic but does anyone know how to properly record exhaust sounds with high quality microphones? I feel like no matter what I do with my phone it just does not do the exhaust justice, it just sounds so flat everytime I try and doesn't sound nearly as good vs in person.

I really want to get some nice clips of outside vehicle revving and some tunnel runs now that I'm running Eventuri V2 intake with Keller DP/MP combo on Akrapovic exhaust. The car sounds absolutely mental and the turbo spool sound is so addicting!
Get on Amazon, grab an external mic with tripod for your phone. Should be a lot better than the mic on the phone.
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Yes if someone can recommend eq settings for the HK setup that would be great...the sound is pretty bad but hopefully i can optimize it. Tx!!
The HK for me, I find that the door card speakers are getting too much bass and distort easily. The 200Hz band seems to be the culprit here.

I boost the 100Hz by +6 clicks, bring down the 200Hz by -5 or -6 clicks, boost the 500Hz by +4 or +5, then I set the rest to taste.

The the general bass and treble to taste as well but boost the general bass pretty high depending on what I listen to. This setting doesn't distort. Also, I always set everything to sound and "feel" good at highway speed.

Setting the whole thing to sound good in your driveway doesn't reflect the reality IMO.
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Sound is very very subjective. I won't bother getting an expert to assess the sound system of my car. Most importantly, I enjoy and like the sound since I own and spend time driving the car. An "expert" can install and tune the best sound system but if you the owner doesn't like it, what's the point?
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How different is B&W in the M5 vs 750? I don't have these menus on my iDrive. Does the 2018 have iDrive 7?

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How different is B&W in the M5 vs 750? I don't have these menus on my iDrive. Does the 2018 have iDrive 7?
Look for "Bowers & Wilkins Tone"
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Thanks, I will check today and see if I have this option!

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I just got my 20 M5 with B&W and in comparison to the B&O in my 17 X5M and also the same stereo in my previous 14 M5 the B&W is stunningly better to me than the B&O. I have listened to a variety of music now with the engine off and running around town and could not be happier with B&W.

I still have my X5M for another month so the comparison is fresh.
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Wow, this is really surprising. I had B&O in my 2015 M5 and thought it was good - had never paid for upgraded audio system in car before. I got a 2018 Volvo XC90 with Bowers and a 2019
2018 MB AMG GT with Burmester audio and realized how terrible the BMW B&O was. I'm thinking about a F90 and will check this out.
Really surprising...
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Just an FYI, The revel systems in the new Lincolns are probably the best ive ever heard by a long shot. Almost bought an MKZ a few years ago because of it. Speaking more to the upgraded ones rather than the base revel systems.
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