[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by Salespunk

The costs associated with decontenting vehicles are more about changes in the production line.

Decontenting in general creates a sense of exclusivity/superiority as we all know. Porsche is a master of this and really kicked it off in the US with the RS America back in the 80's. From what I remember that car was less than 50 lbs lighter than a standard 911.

On an M5cs, it would be relatively easy to drop a lot of weight. Simple carbon buckets, sunroof delete, proximity censor delete (keyless entry/go), power trunk, etc. The problem is around how integrated those systems are into the vehicle. My guess is quite a bit so removing many of those systems might be much more difficult than it looks on the surface.

The other question is how large the real market is for a vehicle like an M5cs. Typical M5 buyers are more about having the fastest sled on the hill, not hard core track people that would notice the very slight weight decline.

+ 1. This about changing up a normal production line run for a special limited edition car. It cost money to do so. The added CS specific parts and wheels are not cheap either plus they still have to be installed. This is an expense to BMW. You also have to pay M engineers and drivers to test and download new calibrations on the M differential, suspension, steering, etc. This all cost money. I'm just saying....The extra cost to step up to a CS is not the HUUUGGGE rip-off some people claim.

[adc]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

Wow really! Here we go again. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Cost aside.. A CS in any model number is way way more than a few aero bits thrown on. Talk to anyone that has driven M3 comp and an M3 CS. The driving dynamics and handling improvements are significant. And you keep your warranty.

Fully agree. I drove mine back to back with my friends CS and found that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. The CS is a great car.

Bring on a rawer, faster, more energetic M5 CS please...

[swagon]

Originally Posted by RustySeatbelt

Strange, I would have expected the CS to release with the LCI. Doesn't make sense for them to release pre-lci with the refresh so close now.

F80 CS was also being tested on a pre-LCI2 prototype.

[RustySeatbelt]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

New BMW world order is to release ALL MODELS .... (consider them to be just like Porsche)..

There is no reason to hold back on COMP model or a CS model (while customers wait in the wings for them to be announced ) in the same way that porsche rolls out a base model... then . then a Carrera 4... then an S>... then a GTS... GT3 etc.....etc..


With regards to the BMW models.. when it comes time for an LCI.. There will simply be an LCI for all three... ( or four if a CSL is in the cards)... models in the lineup .

I could see that if they were actually releasing all models, but they haven't been. Maybe they start with the G80, but with the F90 it would be a really poorly timed release.

Keeping with your train of thought though, I would honestly like to see the M5 CS follow the same trail as the Turbo or Turbo S, an even more capable version of an already incredible car that gains better aero/visuals along with more power without sacrificing any of the luxuries of the pure model.
Let's leave the stripping of comforts and accessories for the M3, which as was stated in another post, is a car that is muchly more likely to be purchased for track use as opposed to the M5 which is a luxury rocket tank. I'll pay more for that.

[RustySeatbelt]

Originally Posted by swagon

F80 CS was also being tested on a pre-LCI2 prototype.

I'm not following. Wasn't production of the F80 platform discontinued in October of 2018?

[swagon]

Originally Posted by RustySeatbelt

I'm not following. Wasn't production of the F80 platform discontinued in October of 2018? Why would the lci2 the F80 with the G80 debuting in 2020?

Huh?

F80 had an LCI in 2016 when the F30 got its LCI. Then another LCI (e.g. new ICON LED headlights) in 2017 when the F32 got its LCI. Somewhere between those two facelifts, BMW put out the M4 GTS.

[RustySeatbelt]

Originally Posted by swagon

Huh?

F80 had an LCI in 2016 when the F30 got its LCI. Then another LCI (e.g. new ICON LED headlights) in 2017 when the F32 got its LCI. Somewhere between those two facelifts, BMW put out the M4 GTS.

Yes, realized that after my post and edited. Seems you replied before then.

I was more confused as to why they are testing a F80 CS when it's out of production?

[F85MTuNED]

Originally Posted by RustySeatbelt

Yes, realized that after my post and edited. Seems you replied before then.

I was more confused as to why they are testing a F80 CS when it's out of production?

He was just pointing out that they did the same with the F80 M3 that's all. That old photo should answer guys questions as to why they don't see the F90 CS with LCI.

[RustySeatbelt]

Originally Posted by F85MTuNED

He was just pointing out that they did the same with the F80 M3 that's all. That old photo should answer guys questions as to why they don't see the F90 CS with LCI.

[dalixz25]

I see RED brake calipers.

[Ex_Stig]

I emailed my dealership a few months back when these were just rumors and am #1 on the list for the M5 CS. Honestly, I just hope it doesn't come too soon as I still have a little over 2 years left on my M3 CS lease.

[TomM6]

From the pictures the M5 and CS badges have different color and font. It looks like he added the M3 CS part to his 5 series.

[10"]

Originally Posted by Bahn360Photo

M5 to m5 comp

M5 comp to m5 cs

M5 cs to m5 Gts

How far will bmw take it?!

Well CSL is the highest BMW go and we haven't seen one since the E46 and doubt we will anytime soon...

[Bahn360Photo]

Originally Posted by 10"

Well CSL is the highest BMW go and we haven't seen one since the E46 and doubt we will anytime soon...

M4 gts? E92 f82

[ghaffari46]

The problem with M5 is having such an underrated sculpture. It's a nice 5 series but not a head turner even in its most exclusive models and colors. One expects more exclusivity from a car which has a performance of a hyper car.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

to be fair.. wasnt it two? 2014 and 2015? and LCI in 2016 ?


i really wasnt paying attention so I could be wrong..

There was no 2014 "model year".

The concept of "model year" is mostly a North American one, and all M3 produced in 2014 and sold in North America were sold as 2015 model year.

[DallasLife345M]

Originally Posted by RustySeatbelt

Strange, I would have expected the CS to release with the LCI. Doesn't make sense for them to release pre-lci with the refresh so close now.

I think they do that to sell the remainder of stock before the LCI is released. Then the LCI CS will be the last year of the LCI F90. Hopefully I'm wrong but from the M3/M4 CS methodology it seems that way.

[ellipsis212]

Originally Posted by Neptune7

Probably X7M CSL with 7 roll cages including a kid roll cage seat.

My mind went immediately to the same joke.

X7M CSL

It's the perfect modern BMW

[TrevorM3]

please stop BMW..

[clee1982]

Why M5 CS, a more hardcore M5 seems to miss the target audience give how big M5 is these days...

[phoenixbmwlife]

Hmm interesting

[RustySeatbelt]

Originally Posted by clee1982

Why M5 CS, a more hardcore M5 seems to miss the target audience give how big M5 is these days...

In my opinion it depends on the direction. I don't really see the need to take this car in a stripped down, track focused direction, but if they kept the luxury/comfort level the same while adding the better aero bits, and increasing power then I would be all in. I would say focus it more for the guy who wants the luxury rocket during the week but is going to make "canyon runs" on the weekend vs. go to the track.

The M3/M4 CS getting more stripped down and track focused definitely makes sense.

I'd be interested in the market research on this, but I would have to think that the M3/M4 buyer is buying that car specifically because they want the dual purpose car to take to the track. The M5 buyer likely has something else they prefer as their track car, but wants the luxury/supercar experience in something more practical for a daily.