[positiveions]

Thanks for sharing

[rjd598]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

If you knew what I was doing to my F10, you wouldn't need to worry about me holding my breath.

i know. im not into dumping my life savings into a depreciating asset.

to each his own!

[RPiM5]

Also everybody please enjoy this frozen purple F90 M5.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

Not so AMG 63 does not come out with a new package in a year ...LCI. Porsche GT cars do not come out with a upgraded model in a year. Mclaren comes out with a new car damn near every year which is why they kill there customer value in cars. I’ve been a BMW guy for 19 years I see the difference in the cars, and the dealerships not the same company. It’s evolving .......good to be a consumer with all the choices. I agree it’s marketing for sure ......I’m in that business so I know exactly what they’re doing also pulling cost out of their car interiors, and engine design. The big cost in cars is R and D, and BMW is recycling car lines for simplicity while charging more bro. When consumers vote with their pocket book they get better .....they last M5 had waitlist a miles long with premiums. Dealers are calling asking for people to order. Never happened with previous M’s.

E63S has received LCI for '18... They are ALL doing it, we're just not used to it because it's more of a recent development - at least to this magnitude for the roundel...

[goj]

Hopefully we see the competition pack give a boost to at least 625hp

[SickFinga]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

This is why BMW in my view has lost their way, screwing customers. This is what Mclaren does to keep revenue flowing, and it just depreciates the last model. All manufactures add better products, but hell you don’t do it before the first is released. This is why I would never buy a first run BMW. I’ve owned a BMW since 1999, and 2018 will be the first year of not having a BMW in my garage in almost 20 years ...damn shame. No way I will drop the coin and you bring out the better car a year later and you could have done it with the current. We all should sit the first year out, and see what they do with all the old cars(:

I don't understand how these comments keep coming up. Not only this is true for pretty much every car manufacturer, this is true in every market where there is competition. If you always gonna wait for the next new thing, you will never own anything.

E36 325i

1992 - introduction
1993 - new engine
1994 - first facelift
1996 - 325i replaced by 328i
1997 - second facelift
1998 - last model year

E39 528i

1997 - introduction
1999 - new engine
2000 - new auto transmission
2001 - 528i replaced by 530i, facelift
2003 - last model year

E46 328i

1999 - introduction
2001 - 328i replaced by 330i
2002 - facelift
2003.5 - 6speed manual added, performance package added
2005 - last model year

E90 330i

2006 - introduction
2007 - 330i becomes 335i
2009 - facelift
2011 - new engine, last model year

[adc]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

Reviews aren't too bad. Should be interesting when they're able to get them head to head with the E63 AMG S.

E63S beat the Panamera Turbo recently, as a better and more exciting car than the Porsche (!). M5 will have a tough fight...

[gds52]

[ ?QUOTE=RPiM5;22529300]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

Dealers are calling asking for people to order. Never happened with previous M’s.

Cooincidentally, I've gotten 3 calls from dealers in my hood that wanted to know if I was interested in ordering the new F90. I said, "so you want me to pay more money for a car that has the same engine as what I've got now?" They hung up. [/QUOTE]


Same engine : ??

[Madvillain]

Originally Posted by gds52

[ ?QUOTE=RPiM5;22529300]

Cooincidentally, I've gotten 3 calls from dealers in my hood that wanted to know if I was interested in ordering the new F90. I said, "so you want me to pay more money for a car that has the same engine as what I've got now?" They hung up.

Same engine : ??[/QUOTE]
all its got is a lil more power a refrezhed interior and awd for 100k more than an f10 no thanks lol btw excellent answer wish i could see their faces when you said that

[dmboone25]

So, why is ZCP coming so quickly?

Is the base car that underwhelming?

[FC05]

Why not do things right the first time ?

[Blubaron79]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

Not so AMG 63 does not come out with a new package in a year ...LCI. Porsche GT cars do not come out with a upgraded model in a year. Mclaren comes out with a new car damn near every year which is why they kill there customer value in cars. IÂ’ve been a BMW guy for 19 years I see the difference in the cars, and the dealerships not the same company. ItÂ’s evolving .......good to be a consumer with all the choices. I agree itÂ’s marketing for sure ......IÂ’m in that business so I know exactly what theyÂ’re doing also pulling cost out of their car interiors, and engine design. The big cost in cars is R and D, and BMW is recycling car lines for simplicity while charging more bro. When consumers vote with their pocket book they get better .....they last M5 had waitlist a miles long with premiums. Dealers are calling asking for people to order. Never happened with previous MÂ’s.

Glad you can afford all of these. Sometimes I think we all forget how fortunate we are to drive and own amazing cars.

[Bimmer6]

Originally Posted by SickFinga

I don't understand how these comments keep coming up. Not only this is true for pretty much every car manufacturer, this is true in every market where there is competition. If you always gonna wait for the next new thing, you will never own anything.

E36 325i

1992 - introduction
1993 - new engine
1994 - first facelift
1996 - 325i replaced by 328i
1997 - second facelift
1998 - last model year

E39 528i

1997 - introduction
1999 - new engine
2000 - new auto transmission
2001 - 528i replaced by 530i, facelift
2003 - last model year

E46 328i

1999 - introduction
2001 - 328i replaced by 330i
2002 - facelift
2003.5 - 6speed manual added, performance package added
2005 - last model year

E90 330i

2006 - introduction
2007 - 330i becomes 335i
2009 - facelift
2011 - new engine, last model year

You’re right, but not M cars. Next car gen never had the same motor.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

You’re right, but not M cars. Next car gen never had the same motor.

Gonna happen with next M3/4 (and 2 I’m sure). No more DCT either. Sigh.

[SickFinga]

Originally Posted by Bimmer6

You’re right, but not M cars. Next car gen never had the same motor.

S38

[RaTeD ///M]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Gonna happen with next M3/4 (and 2 I’m sure). No more DCT either. Sigh.

Due to AWD....

[rebus]

Originally Posted by FC05

Why not do things right the first time ?

B(ible) M(an) W(orld)... the "man" didn't turn out well so woman was created for asking him always more money for having what he wanted.

[infamousq]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Lol! Dude, lets see how much a Comp Pack equipped F90 M5 costs first. Haha! A 30hp bump would be great though. 1/4 mile in 11 flat and 0-60 in 3.0sec will probably be what the Competition Package will achieve. I have no intention of getting an F90 within the next 4 years though. The depreciation is still going to be too insane for me. We're still talking $60k-$80k dollars lost within 3-4 years on the F90. My plan is to finish my F10 M5 project and then I'll be picking up an E60 M5 6spd Manual within the next couple of years. Then we'll see what used F90 M5 Comp Pack prices are looking like 2-3 years after they come out. Besides, it's not all about speed, I just really want a V10 again. That Bowers and Wilkins sure is great though, but still doesn't even compare to the sound of a straight piped V10.

RPiM5 I still feel you will get a F90 Before I do.

[The Automotive Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by FC05

Why not do things right the first time ?

Because $$$.

[cipher5]

Love this! That means the first run of M5s will depreciate and will be able to pick one up slightly used for a wonderful price! Bring it.

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

So, why is ZCP coming so quickly?

Is the base car that underwhelming?

The truth is, the M Competition Package for M Cars has really nothing to do with adding Performance, it's really all about sales. Spokesmen for BMW have even said that in some markets, M cars equipped with the Competition Package account for 80% of those vehicles sold. However, this is not to say that the Comp Package doesn't make a difference, the F80 M3 with the Comp Package is actually a more capable and balanced car than without it.

So in the case for the M5, yes the Comp Package will make it a little faster, but it's really just about selling more M5's. It's an excellent marketing strategy, as most customers want the best, even if they'll never really use it. The F90 M5 without the Comp Package will be just fine, it's a great car, and as most people know, going with the aftermarket modifications will be more cost effective than going with an OEM performance package.

[DGod]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Lol! Dude, lets see how much a Comp Pack equipped F90 M5 costs first. Haha! A 30hp bump would be great though. 1/4 mile in 11 flat and 0-60 in 3.0sec will probably be what the Competition Package will achieve. I have no intention of getting an F90 within the next 4 years though. The depreciation is still going to be too insane for me. We're still talking $60k-$80k dollars lost within 3-4 years on the F90. My plan is to finish my F10 M5 project and then I'll be picking up an E60 M5 6spd Manual within the next couple of years. Then we'll see what used F90 M5 Comp Pack prices are looking like 2-3 years after they come out. Besides, it's not all about speed, I just really want a V10 again. That Bowers and Wilkins sure is great though, but still doesn't even compare to the sound of a straightpiped V10.

Nice to read this. I let go of my '13 M5 F10 with the intention of upgrading to a 30 Jahre at the time. In the meantime I found a perfect spec last produced M5 E60, low mileage, as new. Never looked at the 30 Jahre again or at any M5 whatsoever. The V10 is such a special car and I intend to keep it forever. It has now 55k miles and is in mint condition next to his stablemates. Don't wait too long to get yours, they're getting more rare everyday. Get a '09 or '10, with the CIC navigation.
I won't be looking at M5s again until they drop at least 50 to 70 kg and get rid of that ugly rear brake floating caliper.