Ceramic pads for steel brakes...Insight please

Pazzo009 · 10-13-2020, 10:29 AM

Hi everyone, I apologize if this question has been posed already. I could not find specific information on this.

I will be ordering a 21 M5 soon and I'm done with brake dust. If I back it out of the garage, the wheels are dirty. Unacceptable!

So it's CCB's or Ceramic pads on the steel set up. $8500 is expensive and I dont like the gold particularly. I do not track the car so I am not persuaded by performance and rotational mass aspects. I am simply looking for less brake dust.

Can anyone offer some advice...? Worse case, I'll do CCB's

Thank you

Archimedes65 · 10-13-2020, 11:02 AM

Don't do it. Ceramic pads on iron rotors suck. The iron brakes on the M5 are awesome and it would be a massive shame to compromise their performance in the attempt to avoid dust. Coat your wheels with something like OptiCoat ProPlus and, if you really want no dust, use ArmorAll Outlast on the wheels after every wash (read and follow the instructions carefully and it works great). That's what I do and I have no dust issues. My car needs to be washed before the wheels, which is usually the opposite on most iron rotor German cars.

I did Hawk Ceramic pads on a Audi once and they were scary bad. Expensive mistake.

Maverik259 · 10-13-2020, 06:02 PM

2 options of ceramic pads that are being run with success. Porterfield R4-S and ACG (which i am running myself). Less brake dust but still exists, no noise, and stopping power is perfectly fine! barely notice a difference and in the words of my wife...i love to make sure the brakes work.

boredM · 10-13-2020, 07:11 PM

If you are simply looking for less brake dust, GET THE CCB!!
Biggest mistake I made was not specing them on my build.

I cant stand the dust in what seems like you said backing out of the garage.
Ive done the ACG pads and honestly still want CCBs.

I cant speak of any experience with armor all outlast mentioned above.

On edit:
I have my wheels coated with 3 layers of Kamikaze stance. My wash method and product selection is meticulous.

Higgs Boson · 10-13-2020, 09:32 PM

I run ACG pads on the M5 and they helped a lot with dust, braking performance has not changed under any circumstances obtainable during street driving. The wheels and car are also ceramic coated (xpel on the car also).

Regardless, I ordered an M2CS with CCBs. :-)

josec70 · 10-13-2020, 09:34 PM

CCB's is the best choice if you want to drop the $8,500.

If you just want less dust at a fraction of the price I would go the ACG / Porterfield route ... I did this and zero issues almost 2 years in.

Hammer91 · 10-13-2020, 10:45 PM

CCB all the way. Had them on F10, now on F90, worth the extra money. It is amazing how long the car looks clean with zero break dust.

Egrunt · 11-04-2020, 09:05 PM

As others have stated, I would go with CCB simply for the clean wheels. I have the Porterfield R4-S and they are huge improvement over the stock brake pads as far as producing brake dust. I have been using the Porterfield R4-S coming up on one year this December. Highly recommend if you are running the stock pads.

themnmd · 11-05-2020, 09:28 AM

$8500 lots of cash for no dust! On my car , good cleaning and ceramic coating, less dust much easier cleaning and I have black wheels too

10-13-2020, 10:29 AM	#1
Pazzo009 Major 1109 Rep 1,314 Posts Drives: X5M,M3(46&36),812SF Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NY&GA iTrader: (0)	Ceramic pads for steel brakes...Insight please Hi everyone, I apologize if this question has been posed already. I could not find specific information on this. I will be ordering a 21 M5 soon and I'm done with brake dust. If I back it out of the garage, the wheels are dirty. Unacceptable! So it's CCB's or Ceramic pads on the steel set up. $8500 is expensive and I dont like the gold particularly. I do not track the car so I am not persuaded by performance and rotational mass aspects. I am simply looking for less brake dust. Can anyone offer some advice...? Worse case, I'll do CCB's Thank you __________________ Instagram-Pazzo009 F90 M5(gone), S580 (until G90) X5M, 812SF E46 M3 (LSB on LSB) E36 M3 Avus
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Archimedes65 Second Lieutenant 123 Rep 211 Posts Drives: BMW M5 Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Monterey iTrader: (0)	Don't do it. Ceramic pads on iron rotors suck. The iron brakes on the M5 are awesome and it would be a massive shame to compromise their performance in the attempt to avoid dust. Coat your wheels with something like OptiCoat ProPlus and, if you really want no dust, use ArmorAll Outlast on the wheels after every wash (read and follow the instructions carefully and it works great). That's what I do and I have no dust issues. My car needs to be washed before the wheels, which is usually the opposite on most iron rotor German cars. I did Hawk Ceramic pads on a Audi once and they were scary bad. Expensive mistake.
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Maverik259 Major General 4140 Rep 7,159 Posts Drives: F90 M5 / F15 50i Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Virginia iTrader: (1) Garage List 2020 BMW M5 [10.00] 2014 X5 50i [0.00]	2 options of ceramic pads that are being run with success. Porterfield R4-S and ACG (which i am running myself). Less brake dust but still exists, no noise, and stopping power is perfectly fine! barely notice a difference and in the words of my wife...i love to make sure the brakes work. __________________ '07 Yamaha R1 (sold) '06 C55 AMG (sold) ‘?20 M5, MP Carbon Pro Spoiler, MP Carbon Diffuser, MP Black grille and gills, MP Carbon Mirrors, CF side sills, 789M w/ Ti studs, eventuri, Dinan X pipe '14 X5 50i (wife’s now)
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boredM Second Lieutenant 124 Rep 256 Posts Drives: Ford F-350 & Nardo F90 Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: MS iTrader: (1)	If you are simply looking for less brake dust, GET THE CCB!! Biggest mistake I made was not specing them on my build. I cant stand the dust in what seems like you said backing out of the garage. Ive done the ACG pads and honestly still want CCBs. I cant speak of any experience with armor all outlast mentioned above. On edit: I have my wheels coated with 3 layers of Kamikaze stance. My wash method and product selection is meticulous.
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Higgs Boson In the Details 1809 Rep 866 Posts Drives: Yes Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Texas Hill Country iTrader: (0) Garage List 2020 AMG GTR [0.00] 2022 R8 Quattro Spyder [0.00] 2023 X5M50 [0.00] 2023 718 Spyder [0.00] 2024 Silverado [0.00] 2024 Civic Type R [0.00]	I run ACG pads on the M5 and they helped a lot with dust, braking performance has not changed under any circumstances obtainable during street driving. The wheels and car are also ceramic coated (xpel on the car also). Regardless, I ordered an M2CS with CCBs. :-)
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josec70 Major General 4062 Rep 5,231 Posts Drives: 22' Individual Chalk M5C Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Miami iTrader: (2)	CCB's is the best choice if you want to drop the $8,500. If you just want less dust at a fraction of the price I would go the ACG / Porterfield route ... I did this and zero issues almost 2 years in. __________________ CURRENT: 22' INDIVIDUAL M5\| CHALK \| TARTUFO \| CCB \| MPE \| H&R \| IND GONE: 19' M5C\| SINGAPORE GREY\| ARAGON\|VELOS VLS-06\|H&R\|iPE\|IND\|XPEL\|CF\|RADENSO GONE: 15' F10 M5\|BSM\|BLACK\|VELOS VSS-S2\|KW\|AKRA\|IND\|CF \|ESCORT 360\|VELOS PIGGY GONE: 13' F10 M5\|SG\|BLACK\|AKRA\|KW\|IND LONG GONE: 09' E60 M5\|02' E39 M5
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10-13-2020, 10:45 PM	#7
Hammer91 Private 36 Rep 84 Posts Drives: 2021 BMW M5 Comp Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Wichita KS iTrader: (0)	CCB all the way. Had them on F10, now on F90, worth the extra money. It is amazing how long the car looks clean with zero break dust.
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Egrunt Lieutenant 552 Rep 547 Posts Drives: BMW M5 (F90), Tacoma, GTI Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: San Diego County iTrader: (0)	As others have stated, I would go with CCB simply for the clean wheels. I have the Porterfield R4-S and they are huge improvement over the stock brake pads as far as producing brake dust. I have been using the Porterfield R4-S coming up on one year this December. Highly recommend if you are running the stock pads.
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themnmd Colonel 1691 Rep 2,699 Posts Drives: 23 X5MC Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: San Rafael CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2020 BMW M340i X [0.00]	$8500 lots of cash for no dust! On my car , good cleaning and ceramic coating, less dust much easier cleaning and I have black wheels too
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