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I have been searching and cannot find an all season performance tire that meets the complete specs. The load factor on the front / rear on the summer tires is 102 / 104. I can find the Michelin 3S+ only in a 100 in the rear size.
Just checked Discount Tire and the seem to have some low end (BFGoodrich) and also the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3 but even though fronts are 102Y rears come with 100W - they still sell them as sets of 4 for the M5. Wonder what difference that would make.
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100- 1764 #'s. and 104- 1984 #'s. I am not a tire expert. I am sure BMW would recommend against it.
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100- 1764 #'s. and 104- 1984 #'s. I am not a tire expert. I am sure BMW would recommend against it.
Here is my thought. Yes, the load rating is different for sure. However they are rated at the maximum weight the vehicle can carry/forces.

I did the Michelin AS 3+ last week swap over.

The car carries 1 person, 90% of the time.. no one is in the back seat... except my 70lb. bulldog.

During the colder/winters months.. no way am I loading the car up with the stresses the car sees in the summer.

With the AWD, I don't foresee the need for full blown snow tires like on my M2.

Not to mention our winters are unpredictable.... 60" of snow one year... 10" of snow the next.

I'm completely comfortable with the rears having a lower rating.

Also... didn't BMW say 102 rating all the way around was fine also.. that cuts the difference in the rears, in half.

Even less of a concern.
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100- 1764 #'s. and 104- 1984 #'s. I am not a tire expert. I am sure BMW would recommend against it.
Here is my thought. Yes, the load rating is different for sure. However they are rated at the maximum weight the vehicle can carry/forces.

I did the Michelin AS 3+ last week swap over.

The car carries 1 person, 90% of the time.. no one is in the back seat... except my 70lb. bulldog.

During the colder/winters months.. no way am I loading the car up with the stresses the car sees in the summer.

With the AWD, I don't foresee the need for full blown snow tires like on my M2.

Not to mention our winters are unpredictable.... 60" of snow one year... 10" of snow the next.

I'm completely comfortable with the reads having a lower rating.
Great to hear somebody tried them. How is the car with the all seasons? Any comparison with the previous setup? Did you have Pirellis or Michelin before?
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100- 1764 #'s. and 104- 1984 #'s. I am not a tire expert. I am sure BMW would recommend against it.
Here is my thought. Yes, the load rating is different for sure. However they are rated at the maximum weight the vehicle can carry/forces.

I did the Michelin AS 3+ last week swap over.

The car carries 1 person, 90% of the time.. no one is in the back seat... except my 70lb. bulldog.

During the colder/winters months.. no way am I loading the car up with the stresses the car sees in the summer.

With the AWD, I don't foresee the need for full blown snow tires like on my M2.

Not to mention our winters are unpredictable.... 60" of snow one year... 10" of snow the next.

I'm completely comfortable with the reads having a lower rating.
Great to hear somebody tried them. How is the car with the all seasons? Any comparison with the previous setup? Did you have Pirellis or Michelin before?
Unfortunately I had the Pirelli's. (Which are for sale...cheap... 5,300 miles on them)

Only did the change 6 days ago.. so not much time on the tires.

That being said, road noise is less on one particular stretch of my drive.. but on highway surfaces.. I can tell no difference. The car is well insulated.

No change in comfort/tracking/anything else really.

I look forward to see how they perform when it's 20° out.. and in the snow.

Should be a blast.. not as fun as the M2 in 4" of snow... but fun for a car it's size.
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100- 1764 #'s. and 104- 1984 #'s. I am not a tire expert. I am sure BMW would recommend against it.
Here is my thought. Yes, the load rating is different for sure. However they are rated at the maximum weight the vehicle can carry/forces.

I did the Michelin AS 3+ last week swap over.

The car carries 1 person, 90% of the time.. no one is in the back seat... except my 70lb. bulldog.

During the colder/winters months.. no way am I loading the car up with the stresses the car sees in the summer.

With the AWD, I don't foresee the need for full blown snow tires like on my M2.

Not to mention our winters are unpredictable.... 60" of snow one year... 10" of snow the next.

I'm completely comfortable with the reads having a lower rating.
Great to hear somebody tried them. How is the car with the all seasons? Any comparison with the previous setup? Did you have Pirellis or Michelin before?
Unfortunately I had the Pirelli's. (Which are for sale...cheap... 5,300 miles on them)

Only did the change 6 days ago.. so not much time on the tires.

That being said, road noise is less on one particular stretch of my drive.. but on highway surfaces.. I can tell no difference. The car is well insulated.

No change in comfort/tracking/anything else really.

I look forward to see how they perform when it's 20° out.. and in the snow.

Should be a blast.. not as fun as the M2 in 4" of snow... but fun for a car it's size.
I have the Pirellis too I am trying to get rid off and only have about 1400 miles.

I keep asking everybody - but did you have any subtle vibration on steering wheel or feet with them as if the wheels are off balance? I am really hoping switching tires will help since my dealer cannot find anything else wrong.
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100- 1764 #'s. and 104- 1984 #'s. I am not a tire expert. I am sure BMW would recommend against it.
Here is my thought. Yes, the load rating is different for sure. However they are rated at the maximum weight the vehicle can carry/forces.

I did the Michelin AS 3+ last week swap over.

The car carries 1 person, 90% of the time.. no one is in the back seat... except my 70lb. bulldog.

During the colder/winters months.. no way am I loading the car up with the stresses the car sees in the summer.

With the AWD, I don't foresee the need for full blown snow tires like on my M2.

Not to mention our winters are unpredictable.... 60" of snow one year... 10" of snow the next.

I'm completely comfortable with the reads having a lower rating.
Great to hear somebody tried them. How is the car with the all seasons? Any comparison with the previous setup? Did you have Pirellis or Michelin before?
Unfortunately I had the Pirelli's. (Which are for sale...cheap... 5,300 miles on them)

Only did the change 6 days ago.. so not much time on the tires.

That being said, road noise is less on one particular stretch of my drive.. but on highway surfaces.. I can tell no difference. The car is well insulated.

No change in comfort/tracking/anything else really.

I look forward to see how they perform when it's 20° out.. and in the snow.

Should be a blast.. not as fun as the M2 in 4" of snow... but fun for a car it's size.
I have the Pirellis too I am trying to get rid off and only have about 1400 miles.

I keep asking everybody - but did you have any subtle vibration on steering wheel or feet with them as if the wheels are off balance? I am really hoping switching tires will help since my dealer cannot find anything else wrong.
No... nothing like that. Sorry. You could just have a bad tire... but who the hell knows.
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100- 1764 #'s. and 104- 1984 #'s. I am not a tire expert. I am sure BMW would recommend against it.
Here is my thought. Yes, the load rating is different for sure. However they are rated at the maximum weight the vehicle can carry/forces.

I did the Michelin AS 3+ last week swap over.

The car carries 1 person, 90% of the time.. no one is in the back seat... except my 70lb. bulldog.

During the colder/winters months.. no way am I loading the car up with the stresses the car sees in the summer.

With the AWD, I don't foresee the need for full blown snow tires like on my M2.

Not to mention our winters are unpredictable.... 60" of snow one year... 10" of snow the next.

I'm completely comfortable with the rears having a lower rating.

Also... didn't BMW say 102 rating all the way around was fine also.. that cuts the difference in the rears, in half.

Even less of a concern.
Do you have them on 20" wheels? I wasn't able to find the A/S for 20".

Checked tire rack as well as my local tire shop. 19" was available.
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100- 1764 #'s. and 104- 1984 #'s. I am not a tire expert. I am sure BMW would recommend against it.
Here is my thought. Yes, the load rating is different for sure. However they are rated at the maximum weight the vehicle can carry/forces.

I did the Michelin AS 3+ last week swap over.

The car carries 1 person, 90% of the time.. no one is in the back seat... except my 70lb. bulldog.

During the colder/winters months.. no way am I loading the car up with the stresses the car sees in the summer.

With the AWD, I don't foresee the need for full blown snow tires like on my M2.

Not to mention our winters are unpredictable.... 60" of snow one year... 10" of snow the next.

I'm completely comfortable with the rears having a lower rating.

Also... didn't BMW say 102 rating all the way around was fine also.. that cuts the difference in the rears, in half.

Even less of a concern.
Do you have them on 20" wheels? I wasn't able to find the A/S for 20".

Checked tire rack as well as my local tire shop. 19" was available.
Discount tire and a couple of other places seem to carry them for 20". Note they are 100W vs 104Y (200 pounds less load and W - 168mph vs 186mph max speed) for the rears which should be fine unless you carry full load and have removed speed limiter.
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100- 1764 #'s. and 104- 1984 #'s. I am not a tire expert. I am sure BMW would recommend against it.
Here is my thought. Yes, the load rating is different for sure. However they are rated at the maximum weight the vehicle can carry/forces.

I did the Michelin AS 3+ last week swap over.

The car carries 1 person, 90% of the time.. no one is in the back seat... except my 70lb. bulldog.

During the colder/winters months.. no way am I loading the car up with the stresses the car sees in the summer.

With the AWD, I don't foresee the need for full blown snow tires like on my M2.

Not to mention our winters are unpredictable.... 60" of snow one year... 10" of snow the next.

I'm completely comfortable with the rears having a lower rating.

Also... didn't BMW say 102 rating all the way around was fine also.. that cuts the difference in the rears, in half.

Even less of a concern.
Do you have them on 20" wheels? I wasn't able to find the A/S for 20".

Checked tire rack as well as my local tire shop. 19" was available.
Discount tire and a couple of other places seem to carry them for 20". Note they are 100W vs 104Y (200 pounds less load and W - 168mph vs 186mph max speed) for the rears which should be fine unless you carry full load and have removed speed limiter.
Thanks. Appreciate it. I'm gonna look again
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100- 1764 #'s. and 104- 1984 #'s. I am not a tire expert. I am sure BMW would recommend against it.
Here is my thought. Yes, the load rating is different for sure. However they are rated at the maximum weight the vehicle can carry/forces.

I did the Michelin AS 3+ last week swap over.

The car carries 1 person, 90% of the time.. no one is in the back seat... except my 70lb. bulldog.

During the colder/winters months.. no way am I loading the car up with the stresses the car sees in the summer.

With the AWD, I don't foresee the need for full blown snow tires like on my M2.

Not to mention our winters are unpredictable.... 60" of snow one year... 10" of snow the next.

I'm completely comfortable with the rears having a lower rating.

Also... didn't BMW say 102 rating all the way around was fine also.. that cuts the difference in the rears, in half.

Even less of a concern.
Do you have them on 20" wheels? I wasn't able to find the A/S for 20".

Checked tire rack as well as my local tire shop. 19" was available.
Yep.
Right off Tire Rack.

Search for the tire/size... not for the car specially.

$1,008 delivered.

Make sure you are checking for:
A/S 3+

Not A/S 3
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100- 1764 #'s. and 104- 1984 #'s. I am not a tire expert. I am sure BMW would recommend against it.
Here is my thought. Yes, the load rating is different for sure. However they are rated at the maximum weight the vehicle can carry/forces.

I did the Michelin AS 3+ last week swap over.

The car carries 1 person, 90% of the time.. no one is in the back seat... except my 70lb. bulldog.

During the colder/winters months.. no way am I loading the car up with the stresses the car sees in the summer.

With the AWD, I don't foresee the need for full blown snow tires like on my M2.

Not to mention our winters are unpredictable.... 60" of snow one year... 10" of snow the next.

I'm completely comfortable with the rears having a lower rating.

Also... didn't BMW say 102 rating all the way around was fine also.. that cuts the difference in the rears, in half.

Even less of a concern.
Do you have them on 20" wheels? I wasn't able to find the A/S for 20".

Checked tire rack as well as my local tire shop. 19" was available.
Yep.
Right off Tire Rack.

Search for the tire/size... not for the car specially.

$1,008 delivered.

Make sure you are checking for:
A/S 3+

Not A/S 3
Thanks.

Still can find it. Tire Rack search shows no tires in the size.
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100- 1764 #'s. and 104- 1984 #'s. I am not a tire expert. I am sure BMW would recommend against it.
Here is my thought. Yes, the load rating is different for sure. However they are rated at the maximum weight the vehicle can carry/forces.

I did the Michelin AS 3+ last week swap over.

The car carries 1 person, 90% of the time.. no one is in the back seat... except my 70lb. bulldog.

During the colder/winters months.. no way am I loading the car up with the stresses the car sees in the summer.

With the AWD, I don't foresee the need for full blown snow tires like on my M2.

Not to mention our winters are unpredictable.... 60" of snow one year... 10" of snow the next.

I'm completely comfortable with the rears having a lower rating.

Also... didn't BMW say 102 rating all the way around was fine also.. that cuts the difference in the rears, in half.

Even less of a concern.
Do you have them on 20" wheels? I wasn't able to find the A/S for 20".

Checked tire rack as well as my local tire shop. 19" was available.
Yep.
Right off Tire Rack.

Search for the tire/size... not for the car specially.

$1,008 delivered.

Make sure you are checking for:
A/S 3+

Not A/S 3
Thanks.

Still can find it. Tire Rack search shows no tires in the size.
Find the 275 size first and add it to cart - then find the 285 size and add it to cart too. If you search for both at the same time it won't show them as a possible combination for a set of 4. I just tried it and both are there.

Still not sure why - maybe there is a reason tire rack doesn't want to show them as a set.
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100- 1764 #'s. and 104- 1984 #'s. I am not a tire expert. I am sure BMW would recommend against it.
Here is my thought. Yes, the load rating is different for sure. However they are rated at the maximum weight the vehicle can carry/forces.

I did the Michelin AS 3+ last week swap over.

The car carries 1 person, 90% of the time.. no one is in the back seat... except my 70lb. bulldog.

During the colder/winters months.. no way am I loading the car up with the stresses the car sees in the summer.

With the AWD, I don't foresee the need for full blown snow tires like on my M2.

Not to mention our winters are unpredictable.... 60" of snow one year... 10" of snow the next.

I'm completely comfortable with the rears having a lower rating.

Also... didn't BMW say 102 rating all the way around was fine also.. that cuts the difference in the rears, in half.

Even less of a concern.
Do you have them on 20" wheels? I wasn't able to find the A/S for 20".

Checked tire rack as well as my local tire shop. 19" was available.
Yep.
Right off Tire Rack.

Search for the tire/size... not for the car specially.

$1,008 delivered.

Make sure you are checking for:
A/S 3+

Not A/S 3
Thanks.

Still can find it. Tire Rack search shows no tires in the size.
Find the 275 size first and add it to cart - then find the 285 size and add it to cart too. If you search for both at the same time it won't show them as a possible combination for a set of 4. I just tried it and both are there.

Still not sure why - maybe there is a reason tire rack doesn't want to show them as a set.
Thanks. I'll do that
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100- 1764 #'s. and 104- 1984 #'s. I am not a tire expert. I am sure BMW would recommend against it.
Here is my thought. Yes, the load rating is different for sure. However they are rated at the maximum weight the vehicle can carry/forces.

I did the Michelin AS 3+ last week swap over.

The car carries 1 person, 90% of the time.. no one is in the back seat... except my 70lb. bulldog.

During the colder/winters months.. no way am I loading the car up with the stresses the car sees in the summer.

With the AWD, I don't foresee the need for full blown snow tires like on my M2.

Not to mention our winters are unpredictable.... 60" of snow one year... 10" of snow the next.

I'm completely comfortable with the rears having a lower rating.

Also... didn't BMW say 102 rating all the way around was fine also.. that cuts the difference in the rears, in half.

Even less of a concern.
AWD is not an excuse to not use snow tires.
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100- 1764 #'s. and 104- 1984 #'s. I am not a tire expert. I am sure BMW would recommend against it.
Here is my thought. Yes, the load rating is different for sure. However they are rated at the maximum weight the vehicle can carry/forces.

I did the Michelin AS 3+ last week swap over.

The car carries 1 person, 90% of the time.. no one is in the back seat... except my 70lb. bulldog.

During the colder/winters months.. no way am I loading the car up with the stresses the car sees in the summer.

With the AWD, I don't foresee the need for full blown snow tires like on my M2.

Not to mention our winters are unpredictable.... 60" of snow one year... 10" of snow the next.

I'm completely comfortable with the rears having a lower rating.

Also... didn't BMW say 102 rating all the way around was fine also.. that cuts the difference in the rears, in half.

Even less of a concern.
AWD is not an excuse to not use snow tires.
It absolutely is, with the correct non-snow tires, depending each persons climate.

Do you realize A/S 3+ are all-seasons?

For people that get moderate snow, and their state has proper snow removal equipment, these with AWD, is more than adequate.

These are better tires/AWD systems/vehicles together are better than 97% of the vehicles on the road.

EDIT:
In your area.. yes.. true snow tires are needed regardless of the traction system in vehicles.
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Tire rack has the pirelli soto V2 winter tires for the OEM 20 inch tires.
These would work well.
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Michelin is suppose to have the alpine 4 or something.

But fronts won't be out until end of November early December
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I have the Pirellis too I am trying to get rid off and only have about 1400 miles.

I keep asking everybody - but did you have any subtle vibration on steering wheel or feet with them as if the wheels are off balance? I am really hoping switching tires will help since my dealer cannot find anything else wrong.
Before you change tires, you could see if doing a Road Force Tire Balancing would help.

I had a similar problem with my M4 from delivery. It solved the problem.
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Before you change tires, you could see if doing a Road Force Tire Balancing would help.

I had a similar problem with my M4 from delivery. It solved the problem.
Thanks - yes I have already done road force balancing at dealer but made no difference.
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dealer now says you can use the Alpin 5 Snows 265/40/19 102V all around rather than offsetting with 285/40/19 107V. Anyone think that's a bad idea?
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dealer now says you can use the Alpin 5 Snows 265/40/19 102V all around rather than offsetting with 285/40/19 107V. Anyone think that's a bad idea?
No issue with this square setup.
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