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      05-11-2018, 06:12 PM   #23
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these look of similar fit and finish to the F80 DPs from Zima Motorsport.

Also before upgrading maybe more folks track their car in stock form to about 9/10 to and you will quickly realize that these mods are not that important any more.
That does take balls and skills however so dont say I didnt warn.you
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Cool, I'm also in to see the dyno graphs for this
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These seem like the type of thing that people will buy when the get an m5 CPO. Not fresh of the production line at 120k or when it's leased
Your post makes absolutely zero sense!
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Not saying that no one will do it. But is not likely at this price point and considering most of these vehicles will be leased right now

Not to mention you'd be staring at a CEL every time you drive it
Why wouldn't you tune the ECU if you were doing downpipes?

The amount of power and torque the S63 motor gains with a reflash is INSANE and now the F90 M5 will be even more fun to drive at insane power levels with M xDrive.
I'm not denying any of the performance gains. I'm simply stating the market for these seems like it would be extremely small right now.

And likely would be for a couple years
Just stop posting, you sound more uneducated the more you post
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These seem like the type of thing that people will buy when the get an m5 CPO. Not fresh of the production line at 120k or when it's leased
Whats the problem with "fresh of production" ?
First mode i done when picked up f10 within 1000 miles
Not saying that no one will do it. But is not likely at this price point and considering most of these vehicles will be leased right now

Not to mention you'd be staring at a CEL every time you drive it
What does leasing have to do with it? Just reinstall the cats before you turn it in.
Because that is more work than it's worth. The percentage of people who mod is tiny, the percentage of people who mod brand new cars is tinier.
Have you been under a rock for the past decade?!? 80% of bmws retailed are leases, a lease is your car for 3 years to do with what you want to with it. Most people lease these cars so they can beat the shit out of them and return back to stock to make them someone else's problem. You truly are a moron
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Boys with toys will play. Go check out the Porsche, Lambo and Ferrari forums. Guys are modifying them before they have 10 miles on the odo. Price of car is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]

I modded my M4 vert directly from Welt pick up driven to tunner during last ED. Stage II with catless DP under 50 miles. As your mentioned, all relative "boys with toys will play".
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These seem like the type of thing that people will buy when the get an m5 CPO. Not fresh of the production line at 120k or when it's leased
Whats the problem with "fresh of production" ?
First mode i done when picked up f10 within 1000 miles
Not saying that no one will do it. But is not likely at this price point and considering most of these vehicles will be leased right now

Not to mention you'd be staring at a CEL every time you drive it
What does leasing have to do with it? Just reinstall the cats before you turn it in.
Because that is more work than it's worth. The percentage of people who mod is tiny, the percentage of people who mod brand new cars is tinier.
Have you been under a rock for the past decade?!? 80% of bmws retailed are leases, a lease is your car for 3 years to do with what you want to with it. Most people lease these cars so they can beat the shit out of them and return back to stock to make them someone else's problem. You truly are a moron
110% agree. I have lost track of how modded BMW's I have returned at lease end. Leases = mods. Just pays to play to remove the mods.
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You have a lot to learn, young grasshopper. Lease, finance, own outright... makes no difference.
for a new car, there could be huge differences particularly between a lease and a purchase (finance or outright). It comes down to residual and actual car value after the lease date.
That whole plot flew right over your head (pun intended, Flying Ace).
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Not saying that no one will do it. But is not likely at this price point and considering most of these vehicles will be leased right now

Not to mention you'd be staring at a CEL every time you drive it
Why wouldn't you tune the ECU if you were doing downpipes?

The amount of power and torque the S63 motor gains with a reflash is INSANE and now the F90 M5 will be even more fun to drive at insane power levels with M xDrive.
I'm not denying any of the performance gains. I'm simply stating the market for these seems like it would be extremely small right now.

And likely would be for a couple years
Boys with toys will play. Go check out the Porsche, Lambo and Ferrari forums. Guys are modifying them before they have 10 miles on the odo. Price of car is irrelevant.
My point: you don't play like this with leased cars. Which most of the M5 being delivered in the first couple years will be. I could definitely see this on CPO cars. And again, I'm not say no one will buy downpipes for a new car. Only saying market is small.

And I'm not surprised that the owners of those cars like porsche and exotics go online to mod seek out info and share information on forums.
I leased my M4 and put catless downpipes and a JB4 on it within a week.. I had a JB4 waiting for my X3 before I even had the car. These bolt-on mods are something you can easily do at home on a weekend or pay a shop to do in a couple hours.

People are swapping out turbos on brand new cars...
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I would mod a brand new car. Not a reflash but hardware changes to improve the power of the car and/or handling. It would be most cost effective in my opinion. U spread out the cost of mods from the day u buy the car till the day U sell it. Downpipes are good mods but I would suggest downpipes with high flow cats instead. Lesser power yes, but better for the environment at the same time more power. No?
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Why wouldn't you tune the ECU if you were doing downpipes?

The amount of power and torque the S63 motor gains with a reflash is INSANE and now the F90 M5 will be even more fun to drive at insane power levels with M xDrive.
It will be a while before you see a tune for the F90 if history, and the F10 M5 ECU are any indication, even longer before you see an OBD tune.

The S63tu’s been around for many years now and guys are blowing engines left and right on the F10 M5, many of whom I know personally.

We’ll see how the tunes for the F90 develop.

One thing’s for sure, BMW NA’s all over tuning. Gone are the days of worry free modding. There’s a price to pay to play the game.

Piggy and FBO has been my route of choice.
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It will be a while before you see a tune for the F90 if history, and the F10 M5 ECU are any indication, even longer before you see an OBD tune.

The S63tu’s been around for many years now and guys are blowing engines left and right on the F10 M5, many of whom I know personally.

We’ll see how the tunes for the F90 develop.

One thing’s for sure, BMW NA’s all over tuning. Gone are the days of worry free modding. There’s a price to pay to play the game.

Piggy and FBO has been my route of choice.
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I mod the hell out of my leased cars. Put it back to stock and sell parts at 50%. Totally worth it. Got to pay to play. FTW
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These seem like the type of thing that people will buy when the get an m5 CPO. Not fresh of the production line at 120k or when it's leased
Whats the problem with "fresh of production" ?
First mode i done when picked up f10 within 1000 miles
Not saying that no one will do it. But is not likely at this price point and considering most of these vehicles will be leased right now

Not to mention you'd be staring at a CEL every time you drive it
What does leasing have to do with it? Just reinstall the cats before you turn it in.
Because that is more work than it's worth. The percentage of people who mod is tiny, the percentage of people who mod brand new cars is tinier.
Have you been under a rock for the past decade?!? 80% of bmws retailed are leases, a lease is your car for 3 years to do with what you want to with it. Most people lease these cars so they can beat the shit out of them and return back to stock to make them someone else's problem. You truly are a moron
100% correct, buying a bmw especially right now, is probably not a good thing....most folks with money and smarts know not to invest in depreciating assets (or cars that don't do it for them like the 90's bmw's used to!) lol
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These seem like the type of thing that people will buy when the get an m5 CPO. Not fresh of the production line at 120k or when it's leased
Whats the problem with "fresh of production" ?
First mode i done when picked up f10 within 1000 miles
Are you leasing it?
No, but i know plenty of people leasing and modding crazy, including jb4, meth, aftermarket clutch, turbos, etc
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These seem like the type of thing that people will buy when the get an m5 CPO. Not fresh of the production line at 120k or when it's leased
Whats the problem with "fresh of production" ?
First mode i done when picked up f10 within 1000 miles
Not saying that no one will do it. But is not likely at this price point and considering most of these vehicles will be leased right now

Not to mention you'd be staring at a CEL every time you drive it
What does leasing have to do with it? Just reinstall the cats before you turn it in.
Because that is more work than it's worth. The percentage of people who mod is tiny, the percentage of people who mod brand new cars is tinier.
Have you been under a rock for the past decade?!? 80% of bmws retailed are leases, a lease is your car for 3 years to do with what you want to with it. Most people lease these cars so they can beat the shit out of them and return back to stock to make them someone else's problem. You truly are a moron
Agreed, especially last bit!
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These seem like the type of thing that people will buy when the get an m5 CPO. Not fresh of the production line at 120k or when it's leased
Whats the problem with "fresh of production" ?
First mode i done when picked up f10 within 1000 miles
Are you leasing it?
No, but i know plenty of people leasing and modding crazy, including jb4, meth, aftermarket clutch, turbos, etc
The single reason I will never buy any off Lease BMW.
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Boys with toys will play. Go check out the Porsche, Lambo and Ferrari forums. Guys are modifying them before they have 10 miles on the odo. Price of car is irrelevant.[/QUOTE]

I modded my M4 vert directly from Welt pick up driven to tunner during last ED. Stage II with catless DP under 50 miles. As your mentioned, all relative "boys with toys will play".[/QUOTE]

I am correct to assume that catless downpipes make the vehicle fail any future emission tests if left on? I would have thought the enviro regulatory types would have picked up on the catless DP mods when the car was inspected on import back to the US after you were done with the ED? I guess they don't look the cars over too closely or are the secondary cats adequate to meet emissions regulations. (too quote another member on the forum.. "these things eat trees and bunnies")
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I am correct to assume that catless downpipes make the vehicle fail any future emission tests if left on? I would have thought the enviro regulatory types would have picked up on the catless DP mods when the car was inspected on import back to the US after you were done with the ED? I guess they don't look the cars over too closely or are the secondary cats adequate to meet emissions regulations. (too quote another member on the forum.. "these things eat trees and bunnies")[/QUOTE]

There are so many vehicles moving through the Brunswick Port, that CBP is probably only looking for contraband within ED vehicles if selected for secondary screening. The FDA does dosen't check for emissions either. The EPA is looking out for the diesel vehicles. Also, I had the CEL removed during the ECU tune so it won't trigger during US import, VDC, PCD or the center during service.

I can still smell the emissions, as my PC delivery specialist was informed of the catless DP's when I returned 4 wks latter to pick-up the F85 and he noticed the emissions/exhaust sound in the enclosed PC bay during the F83 delivery. South Carolina doesn't have annual emission testing.
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These seem like the type of thing that people will buy when the get an m5 CPO. Not fresh of the production line at 120k or when it's leased
Whats the problem with "fresh of production" ?
First mode i done when picked up f10 within 1000 miles
Are you leasing it?
No, but i know plenty of people leasing and modding crazy, including jb4, meth, aftermarket clutch, turbos, etc
The single reason I will never buy any off Lease BMW.
I wouldn't touch a F chassis vehicle now that OBDII flash tuning is available.

The people modding these $100k+ vehicles have money to burn. I kept my F85 tame by not installing catless DP's, but was tempted.

The F90 with DP's would be a monster.
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