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      03-10-2017, 06:40 PM   #67
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The guys complaining about 600 vs 608 vs 650 hp - really? 600 HP in what can basically be a family car is ridiculous. At that point who cares whether it's 600 or 650 besides bragging rights.

AWD was inevitable with this much power. I think people will be pleasantly surprised at how good this car will be.
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The fact alone that the F90 is going to use another S63 reworked should be enough for all of you to boycott the next M5. It's completely unacceptable, even if they throw in different turbos, intercoolers, etc... The only way it is acceptable is if they made the engine rev to 8,500rpm like a real M engine should, but that will never happen.
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The fact alone that the F90 is going to use another S63 reworked should be enough for all of you to boycott the next M5. It's completely unacceptable, even if they throw in different turbos, intercoolers, etc... The only way it is acceptable is if they made the engine rev to 8,500rpm like a real M engine should, but that will never happen.
Time for an E63S?
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The fact alone that the F90 is going to use another S63 reworked should be enough for all of you to boycott the next M5. It's completely unacceptable, even if they throw in different turbos, intercoolers, etc... The only way it is acceptable is if they made the engine rev to 8,500rpm like a real M engine should, but that will never happen.
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The fact alone that the F90 is going to use another S63 reworked should be enough for all of you to boycott the next M5. It's completely unacceptable, even if they throw in different turbos, intercoolers, etc... The only way it is acceptable is if they made the engine rev to 8,500rpm like a real M engine should, but that will never happen.
You know you want the new GT3....
Hell I'll go for a .1 GT3 even. Lol!

I'd rather get a new R8 though, if I'm being honest.
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The fact alone that the F90 is going to use another S63 reworked should be enough for all of you to boycott the next M5. It's completely unacceptable, even if they throw in different turbos, intercoolers, etc... The only way it is acceptable is if they made the engine rev to 8,500rpm like a real M engine should, but that will never happen.
Time for an E63S?
Nope I don't want a car that has a wet clutch auto.
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Dual clutch can't handle high torque? How about these supercars? Hurancan is dual clutch right? GTR? 911 turbos? Or just bmw's dct sucks? Someone explain
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I wish some of the members would give the current M5's some track cred. Sure its a family sedan but the M3/4 and M4GTS aren't much quicker.

I don't see any E63 AMG's turning the Nurburgring in 7:55 nor many other cars for that matter. The only big 4 door that beat it was a Porsche Panamera. No big Merc's or Audi's only the M5. Look it up.

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We all know how accurate BMW official HP numbers are compared to what is actually measured on the dyno. Just pointing that out there before everyone starts complaining about it *only* having 600hp.

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I wish some of the members would give the current M5's some track cred. Sure its a family sedan but the M3/4 and M4GTS aren't much quicker.

I don't see any E63 AMG's turning the Nurburgring in 7:55 nor many other cars for that matter. The only big 4 door that beat it was a Porsche Panamera. No big Merc's or Audi's only the M5. Look it up.

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I wish some of the members would give the current M5's some track cred. Sure its a family sedan but the M3/4 and M4GTS aren't much quicker.

I don't see any E63 AMG's turning the Nurburgring in 7:55 nor many other cars for that matter. The only big 4 door that beat it was a Porsche Panamera. No big Merc's or Audi's only the M5. Look it up.

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Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrafoglio trounced the new Porsche Panamera Turbo.
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Dual clutch can't handle high torque? How about these supercars? Hurancan is dual clutch right? GTR? 911 turbos? Or just bmw's dct sucks? Someone explain
Huracan does not make huge torque like turbo motors do.
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Dual clutch can't handle high torque? How about these supercars? Hurancan is dual clutch right? GTR? 911 turbos? Or just bmw's dct sucks? Someone explain
Huracan does not make huge torque like turbo motors do.
Thank you naturally aspirated V10.
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i think it will have 8 speed dct same the panamera turbo 4wd
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Dual clutch can't handle high torque? How about these supercars? Hurancan is dual clutch right? GTR? 911 turbos? Or just bmw's dct sucks? Someone explain
But do those cars/manufacturers develop their own DCTs or are they supplied by a transmission manufacturer like BMW's DCT from Getrag (?) If they are supplied then the excuse of not being able to handle torque isn't accurate because everyone is using a variation but developing your own (Mercedes develops their own transmissions IIRC) to be able to handle torque is obviously totally different.
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Funny. Suddenly 0-60 and GT-cred are what's important, unless we're talking about Tesla of course.

Sold your soul, BMW... and the Model S is still faster on public roads e39 is rolling in its grave
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Will it sound as good as an E63 AMG?
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I must admit I could cope with the AWD system quite happily but as someone that drives a C63 and RS6 (current gen) regularly as well as having driven a bunch of other cars with ZF8's I'm quite disappointed here, the whole point of the M5 was always that it was just a little bit naughtier and more fun than RS6's and E63's, especially true as the new E63 is AWD (unless you disable everything which most people won't do)

The Panamera Turbo Hybrid has 850nm and uses a dual clutch 8 speed which I assume is from ZF like the normal Panamera Turbo so unless Porsche have signed some weird agreement surely BMW would be able to buy a ZF DCT that supports more torque.
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I still don't get it. If I wanted an AWD bruiser I'd get an RS7 but that's not what I want (and what a lot of people do not want).

Let's just leave BMW M cars rwd please. You can always get an X5M or X6M.
I don't understand, if an AWD system is light and has the ability to send all the power to the rear wheels if you press a button, what's not to like ?
Fronts steer. Not anything else. Don't get how m dynamic mode would send all to the rear and have no dsc intervention. At that point it's just weight for no reason right?
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i have a bit less sentiment towards special models when they share the same engine as other cars, but with minor tweaks. sure, they buffed the 0-60-100 times a bit with 4wd, but does it really help the car overall?

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I think Audi uses ZF too and its RS7 Performance already makes 605hp.

So it is a mere catch up with Audi and Mercedes (both uses 4 wheel drive already).

So no electric and no hybrid yet?

Germany recent law requires cars to be emission free by 2030

The clock is clicking

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-official-says
Emission free vehicles need people to want to spend their money on them first.

Then again, maybe the world will be spared such fate. USA sure is a powerful market... https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/0...egulation.html
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"The 5 is now bigger than a 7 from just a few generations ago. And at over 4k lbs, this is no corner carver. Be realistic here, folks. This thing is designed as a GT car, pure and simple." This was written by a fellow board member and he is right! I own an M3 with Competition Package and if you want a fast, nimble RWD sports sedan get the Alfa Gulia or the M3. So if you really can't live without pure RWD you have two great options.
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