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      04-02-2018, 10:00 PM   #23
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That's rich coming from a BMW forum lol
Not being facetious here - I have yet to ever have a "true" or "real" problem with any of my BMWs. Little things, sure. But anything of consequence? No...I have owned 7 myself, and we have owned 11 as a family. From 2000 - present.

My pops had a CTS between his E46 and Z4MC...it ranks in the top 3 of worst cars the family has EVER owned. The number of things that went wrong with that thing are too numerous to mention - it was truly a piece of shit.
Your anecdotal experience is not really reality.
You seem to have outdated information. BMW is trending up. Cadillac trending down catastrophically...
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Here's updated information, facts do matter:
Facts matter? Lmao. Well it's not like I'm posting false information. I posted 2016 data, it does look like 2017 wasn't a good year for Cadi but still above industry average. BMW is sandwiched between Hyundai and Chevrolet now. If you look at the last 10-15yrs objectively, Cadi and GM in general with Buick and Chevy, it has been a pretty good. Let's not be total blind fanboys.

To be most accurate you should look at 2006 Cadi ranking because that would be between E46 M3 and Z4MC like DMboone was saying.
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Growing up in the US, I have NEVER wanted a Caddy. Ever. They were the "geriatric" car of my youth, and have morphed into a company without a discernible direction or tradition to leverage.

I am sure the CTS-V can be a fun car and that engine has to be cool...but I still have no desire to get one. It might be the best thing since sliced bread, but I really wouldn't stop and look at any of their offerings. Just like I wouldn't stop and look at any GM offerings.
I mean does this sound like a car enthusiast to you? Even if it's the best driving, most dynamic car in the world...."no thanks, it's a Cadi/GM". "It's geriatric." Lol. Really?

There is so many car I want to own and drive before I die. Little secret, there are other brands besides BMW in that list....
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If I include all the VAG products individually, it's closing in on 20 cars in about 20 years (23 if you include Ducati). Nothing remotely significant - ever. And that's adding in the BMW/Mini side - this isn't to be argumentative, but I wouldn't get out of bed to drive a Cadillac...or GM product.

Why switch from something you've personally had good experience with? I know I won't - but that's just me.
I understand your point if I added in the VAG products I would be well over 20 as well I just know all cars are prone to issues. I have also had my fair share of Japanese products, they aren’t immune either.

Back on topic, although you may not wish to own a Cadillac and/or any other GM product, but if you honor driving dynamics - and if you take the time to drive say an CTS-V/ATS-V or even a CTS Vsport, you will at least have some respect for the drivability.

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I mean does this sound like a car enthusiast to you? Even if it's the best driving, most dynamic car in the world...."no thanks, it's a Cadi/GM". "It's geriatric." Lol. Really?

There is so many car I want to own and drive before I die. Little secret, there are other brands besides BMW in that list....
Yep, and I have owned quite a few different brands (German, Japanese, and American) - just because I haven't seen the best luck with American made cars doesn't make me...unique. But your 2016 graph is SO compelling...

Cadillac did = geriatric in my youth - reading comprehension is commonly lost in folks, but perhaps you missed it on purpose. That doesn't mean I am not a car enthusiast...rather, that I have found a few brands that I trust with my money, and see no need to try the local offerings, just to boost morale.
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Facts matter? Lmao. Well it's not like I'm posting false information. I posted 2016 data, it does look like 2017 wasn't a good year for Cadi but still above industry average. BMW is sandwiched between Hyundai and Chevrolet now. If you look at the last 10-15yrs objectively, Cadi and GM in general with Buick and Chevy, it has been a pretty good. Let's not be total blind fanboys.

To be most accurate you should look at 2006 Cadi ranking because that would be between E46 M3 and Z4MC like DMboone was saying.
And that 1st generation CTS might have been the worst car ever made - which is something you remember. That's all I am saying - there's no reason to give them a chance when you've had 0 issues from the German side in almost 20 years.

I think the CTS was a 2004 model IIRC...and it was literally in the ship for more than 10 different issues in less than 3 years. It also was not remotely close to the driving dynamics my pops was used to...hence why he left and never went back. The new ones might be better, but I am not going to be part of their ongoing QC project.
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Here's 2017 too:

Fiat makes Land Rover look like Lexus 😂
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Coming from 1st hand experience with VAG products they routinely have issues as well. I’ve lemon lawed a couple of them BMW I have had 13 of them “all bought new” 3 have been bought back 1998 328i, 2005 E46 ZHP, 2010 550 ( with only 700 miles on the odo) MINI’s have their issues as well. The only car out of the ones you mentioned with a solid reliability rating is Porsche - namely 911’s.

I grew up with Cadillac’s . interior quibbles (namely the Tech GUI) aside the driving dynamics are not remotely in the same universe of what was produced from ....umm ever... Mattter of fact, those who want plush riding BarcaLounger’s would likely be turned off.

I previously owned 2 DTS; 1 Escalade myself. Currently have a CTS Vsport in the stable as well. It’s a bonafide sleeper.

I can agree with Porsche, have owned 8 of them, from turbo S, to gt3’s, even reg Carrera S, no issues with any of them. At one point I was using a 997 turbo S as a daily, put 35k miles on it in one year and ended up selling it at 85k, no issues.

Even Ferrari reliability isn’t so bad from experience especially the 430, and 458.
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As expected. But, I have to hand it to Cadillac as they have stepped up their game. While I am used to BMW/Audi styling, at least Cadillac has gone their own way. Put a system similar to M x-drive or the Merc system into the the CTS-V, fix the interior, AND offer a MT, and I'd be a customer. The MT angle could be a game changer for Cadillac as they offer it anyway in the Corvette, productions costs will be lower in the US, and it will capture a niche.
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Watch the Head2Head on YouTube of the CTS-Vbeating the new E63 S
I watched it, and it was shite. Like I have said, there was a braking problem in that particular unit of the E63 S. The results are 15 feet of braking worse than any other mag.
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As expected. But, I have to hand it to Cadillac as they have stepped up their game. While I am used to BMW/Audi styling, at least Cadillac has gone their own way. Put a system similar to M x-drive or the Merc system into the the CTS-V, fix the interior, AND offer a MT, and I'd be a customer. The MT angle could be a game changer for Cadillac as they offer it anyway in the Corvette, productions costs will be lower in the US, and it will capture a niche.
They also need to work on fit and finish of their product.

Had a 2nd Gen Vagon, nice drivetrain and chassis(even for the pig it is), interior is shit from a interaction and quality perspective. Not to mention misaligned body panels, bumper and sunroof. What a disaster. If my name was going on something, a bit more attention to detail would win some hearts and minds in my opinion.
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When i drove CTS-V... you had to be an absolute moron to miss pathetic in your face transmission. It should not and does not belong to a car that cost $40K or whatever they sell CTS-V for.

On the other hand... GM has nailed magnetic dampers... hats off to them for that.
What? Speak English. Which gen CTS-V did you drive and which transmission did it have? The Manual or the Auto?
And are you saying that the CTS-V costs around 40k, or that the transmission in question is not good enough to be in 40k car or the CTS-V which costs more (a lot more) than 40k?
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Watch the Head2Head on YouTube of the CTS-Vbeating the new E63 S
I watched it, and it was shite. Like I have said, there was a braking problem in that particular unit of the E63 S. The results are 15 feet of braking worse than any other mag.
Yes the ctsv is also a 3 year old car, the new ctsv will be out in 2020 and unveiled next year. This gen 4 will destroy the competition I'm sure just like they have been doing in all racing circuits including the Rolex 24
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I might own a GM automobile right now if I didn't despise their CUE telematics system.
haven't tested the latest version (which thankfully adds some physical buttons and knobs) but the older gen was completely unacceptable. I would have an escalade for the family mobile today were it not for CUE.
Same here. I really like the ATS V but would never purchase one because of the cue system
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Let's face it and do a quote from "Planet of the Apes." The Cadillac is "So damed ugly."

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The CTs is waste of money, front-engine rwd and over 500hp don’t mix on the street, power goes up in smoke, Awd counterparts will gap u in almost any situation....
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The CTs is waste of money, front-engine rwd and over 500hp don’t mix on the street, power goes up in smoke, Awd counterparts will gap u in almost any situation....
True. It's a bruit force machine in cheap clothing. Rear seat is tiny, styling is odd at best, but the suspension was still the first to use electromagnetic adjustments. If Cadillac gets AWD in that car with that monster engine then watch out M5 and E63S. It has the detuned version from the Z06 so what if they have their "CP" version with the full blown Z06 engine? YIKES.

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True. It's a bruit force machine in cheap clothing. Rear seat is tiny, styling is odd at best, but the suspension was still the first to use electromagnetic adjustments. If Cadillac gets AWD in that car with that monster engine then watch out M5 and E63S. It has the detuned version from the Z06 so what if they have their "CP" version with the full blown Z06 engine? YIKES.

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Do they have a high-perf Awd system that can handle the torque, to my knowledge no. They have never had anything of the sort, they are also stubborn in that they will not move traditional rwd systems to Awd, neither will Camaro, vette, or mustang. The lower price point vs competitors is why they still have not been taken off the market due to poor demand.
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Man too many fans are butt hurt on both sides.

First of all if you say German Cars are reliable then I dare you to own one after 50K miles and after warranty.

I have both cars, I had an 16 M5 for 6 months before I got a 18 CTS-V both cars are awesome and I am not gonna defend the M5 since this is a BMW forum and the M5 can speak for itself.

On the other hand the V is a beast and it is the absolute middle finger to anyone who says you need AWD to handle 650HP, I would say go and take some classes on how to drive out side your comfort zone then come back.

The engine, suspension and the chassis are an A+ hands down.

The Transmission is Awful in manual mode but if you leave it in auto with the PTM mode it will be fine and it can handle the ridiculous fast RPM change fine. I can do 3.6s-3.9s 0-60 on regular basis with no issues.

CUE is as everyone said as bad as BMW i-drive Gen1 but as of 2017 they had hardware update and it is ok now (very fast and responsive), the capacitive buttons are still there but really you bought an 100K car to feel the volume buttons !!! if you do not like them then go and use the ones on the steering wheel they are physical. to me GM tried this experiment and failed like BMW with the stupid gesture control.

And finally at least in the US the V had more respect than the M, in 2 months of owning the V I had more thumbs up on the road and during Cars and Coffee than the M, the only down side I got pulled over twice (one by state trooper and one by local PD) just to check the car.

Just go and enjoy the car you like and do not feel offended by other manufacturers. at least to me the V at 20K bellow MSRP that is already 10K less than equivalent germans is the best in the RWD super sedan cars segment. and it still can compete and holds its ground compared to the new AWD sedans thats unless all you care about is drag race and 0-60 times.
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No wonder they had to lay off thousands recently, maybe they just need another bail out from the federal reserve bank?? I mean that's how you dominate the market isn't it? Ya what an M5 competitor, can't wait for mine!!
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