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      02-24-2020, 10:40 AM   #23
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That M5 is ridiculously too fast against others, I don't think that was because the extra weight of those wagons, think BMW got more power than stated.
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We'll see how the new RS7 fares against the M5 in a few months.
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M5 is a beast, that P wagon looks pretty good tho!
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The M5 Competition blows them all away...
Surprisingly disappointing RS6...

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The M5 Competition blows them all away...
Surprisingly disappointing RS6...

Enjoy !
RS6 so expensive and so slow.
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      02-24-2020, 11:28 AM   #27
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sometimes I wonder if automakers bench mark their cars against competitors before launching their cars to the market.
I don't mean this in a snooty way but I think the Germans do...amongst themselves. As we see through comparisons. BMW, Mercedes, Audi all perform more/less than same where you can't really go wrong, you pick what you like. You have cars that have more value (CTS-V once upon a time) and more reliable (Lexus GS-F) but you feel that the Germans are less concerned with those two than they are trying to compete with each other.

When people say company x or company y is going to take Sales away from the Germans, not really. That's just bar talk. Tesla is the only brand that you could legitimately make the argument that the Model 3 has taken Sales away from the 3er, C Class and A4. I remember when everyone was going in frenzy when everyone hailed the ATS as the new "king" of the segment. We all know how that turned out.
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These hokey runway drag races always make me smh. Does Europe not have a proper 1/4 mile racetrack, with a Christmas Tree and timing lights?
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That M5 is ridiculously too fast against others, I don't think that was because the extra weight of those wagons, think BMW got more power than stated.
BMW also has a considerably faster transmission compared to Audi. It kicks down very fast and shifts quickly. I think only the PDK transmission is faster. Even when the RS6 performance comes I still expect it to lose to the M5 comp.
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That M5 is ridiculously too fast against others, I don't think that was because the extra weight of those wagons, think BMW got more power than stated.
BMW also has a considerably faster transmission compared to Audi. It kicks down very fast and shifts quickly. I think only the PDK transmission is faster. Even when the RS6 performance comes I still expect it to lose to the M5 comp.
The rumor is the performance versions of RS6 and RS7 will use the same ZF tranny.
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Well looking closely the RS6 is equivalent to the M5 vanilla.

The Mercedes is 'equal' and the Porsche is sort of on its own.

Technically a 'turbo' in Porsche speak is a comfortable daily driver that overcompensates for its tech and comfort and soft suspension with a massive engine.

The Panamera is a bit of a dissapointment for me just because they aren't trying so hard on the weight loss. Meanwhile the 5 series lost enough weight to fit in an AWD system and weigh the same as the E60.

Anyway, results are good for BMW becuase it goes the extra mile on weight loss I'd guess.

All great cars though
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Technically a 'turbo' in Porsche speak is a comfortable daily driver that overcompensates for its tech and comfort and soft suspension with a massive engine.
Soft suspension in relation to what exactly? A racecar? Have you driven a Panamera Sport Turismo Turbo S? Have you driven any current Turbo S anything? While I haven't so much as sat in a Panamera Turbo S; I've driven a 911 Turbo S and I wouldn't call the suspension "soft."
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anyone impressed with the braking power of M5 , the Porsche and the Benz had CC brakes , but M5 stopped quicker ???
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      02-24-2020, 06:37 PM   #34
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Someone from the M5 side on this forum should write to carwow on how to consistently launch M5 (the whole comfort mode on suspension don't build too much boost) so we get this result all the time...
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I wonder how much the Audi and Porsche's 1" taller tires slow their acceleration down
Actually, nothing at all. The transmission line reduction neutralises the wheel size. They are all parameters free to configure in the total drive line reduction.

Parameters are: gear reduction x end bridge reduction x wheel reduction. you can play with these 3 parameters to convert engine rpm to wheel rpm and torque.
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anyone impressed with the braking power of M5 , the Porsche and the Benz had CC brakes , but M5 stopped quicker ???
After a certain point of braking power which all these cars have far exceeded, maximum braking is limited by tires, weight, and downforce.
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anyone impressed with the braking power of M5 , the Porsche and the Benz had CC brakes , but M5 stopped quicker ???
CCB’s don’t brake stronger, they are more fade resistant. And they produce no brake dust and reduce the unsprung weight by a good 80lbs.
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That M5 is ridiculously too fast against others, I don't think that was because the extra weight of those wagons, think BMW got more power than stated.
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That M5 is ridiculously too fast against others, I don't think that was because the extra weight of those wagons, think BMW got more power than stated.
I thought they both run the same ZF auto?
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I don't like his channel, so much worthless chatter. Then, usually a worthless race, followed by more worthless "so what exactly happened" chatter. We know, we saw what you saw, not like one of the cars missed turn 2 while you were filming another at turn 4.
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M5 is a beast no question. For the money and level of luxury with that power is second to none.
Yeah, only problem is that it looks like a bag of shit 5 series, they never make them aggressive enough.
It's not supposed to look aggressive. You can always get a Charger hellcat if you want aggressive looks.
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M5 is a beast no question. For the money and level of luxury with that power is second to none.
Yeah, only problem is that it looks like a bag of shit 5 series, they never make them aggressive enough.
It's not supposed to look aggressive. You can always get a Charger hellcat if you want aggressive looks.
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Technically a 'turbo' in Porsche speak is a comfortable daily driver that overcompensates for its tech and comfort and soft suspension with a massive engine.
Soft suspension in relation to what exactly? A racecar? Have you driven a Panamera Sport Turismo Turbo S? Have you driven any current Turbo S anything? While I haven't so much as sat in a Panamera Turbo S; I've driven a 911 Turbo S and I wouldn't call the suspension "soft."
Porsche splits the teams up and has a 911 turbo team and a 911 GT3 team.

GT3 team goes for a track focused car. I suppose the bmw equivalent is a CS or CSL.

The Turbo team is out to make the best grand touring version of the 911. Big power.m, but top speed, and comfortable ride with all the modern comforts.

Unless Porsche is turning the 'turbo' name into meaningless top trim it's likely the Panamera is set up for a different job than an M5 comp. Which is already aiming for low weight and an eye for the track.
It doesn't really make sense to make a track performance focused 4 door sedan anyway, but BMW sure does a nice job.

But you're right, I haven't driven a Panamera turbo S just base 911s. I suppose the S does tighten and lower the suspension 20 mm or so
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Porsche splits the teams up and has a 911 turbo team and a 911 GT3 team.

GT3 team goes for a track focused car. I suppose the bmw equivalent is a CS or CSL.

The Turbo team is out to make the best grand touring version of the 911. Big power.m, but top speed, and comfortable ride with all the modern comforts.

Unless Porsche is turning the 'turbo' name into meaningless top trim it's likely the Panamera is set up for a different job than an M5 comp. Which is already aiming for low weight and an eye for the track.
It doesn't really make sense to make a track performance focused 4 door sedan anyway, but BMW sure does a nice job.

But you're right, I haven't driven a Panamera turbo S just base 911s. I suppose the S does tighten and lower the suspension 20 mm or so
If you watch the video of the regular Panamera turbo S vs M5 (regular) it demolishes it. I imagine it would do the same to the Competition given how large the gap is. The wagon is just crazy heavy! Though it’s stunning and quite fast and capable as they all are.




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