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The Turbo on its own is about 70K more than a F90 M5 - and they are almost identical in performance. The S is over 100K more (Canadian dollars) than the F90 Competition - and yes - it is a good 3-4 tenths quicker and about 2 MPH faster in the 1/4. That said - tune and downpipes for an F90 aren't 100K and that is 10.3 at 135 MPH for the F90. So the performance argument isn't so simple. I also never believe anyone at the track when it comes to people's modified cars - stock vs stock is what we are discussing. And again - the F90 and Porsche 991 and now 992 are not direct competitors - the F90 simply over-achieves - performance wise - and that makes it a strong value buy to get a super well rounded car. A GT Luxury car at that. Last edited by vtknight; 12-10-2018 at 09:44 AM.. |
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We are really getting caught up in the performance numbers...
Taking a step back, there is no way a sports sedan should run with a top tier sports car costing almost twice as much, but it does. And if that does not blow your mind, it should! |
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I agree with your entire post.
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12-21-2018, 11:46 PM | #48 |
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What happened in the world,
Have I been in a cave? Never heard F10 compared to Turbo S, it would have been blasphemous!! Now what in the world?
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I got out of my then new '13 F10 and into a new '17 991.2 Turbo. I've run both stock in the qtr mile (best of 11:53 and 10:71 respectively) and several road courses. I've run quicker cars than both and while drag racing is fun, I prefer the road courses. This is where I think the turbo shines as the better "all-rounder." Of course for the additional money it should be. And LC with PDK is so easy it puts the BMW LC to shame. Not that it really matters.
The M5 acceleration and braking was phenomenal for such a heavy car. I did add Dinan sways and higher temp brake fluid for the road course work. I could easily keep up with "regular" Carreras and outrun many. I've added Pagid pads and gt3 camber plates to the turbo and it lays down consistently quicker lap times. It's faster down the straights and carries more speed through the corners. While the specs of the new M5C indicate it can perform on par with the current turbo, I suspect it will do so in a similar fashion as the F10 and thus not be as "thrilling" as the turbo. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope so. So for me the turbo is my choice for now. Still, while I have the turbo in the garage I'm having secret thoughts of a new M5C. 😎 Not sure this helps the OP but its all 1st world problems anyway. 🤑 |
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How would you compare road noise, parking, general daily driving between the F10 and the 991.2 ? |
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With all the tech in the M5 it is hounds down the better daily. My F10 was much more comfortable and relatively quite. NVH is less in the F10 but then again that's expected. The F10 is not a sports car no matter how fast it is. In the turbo I don't even have a front facing camera much less surround view and no heads-up display, The turbo does have rear wheel steering which makes maneuvering quite easy and of course cornering at the track is phenomenal.
If I were not tracking the turbo 10-12 times a year it would be an easy decision to get the M5C. The turbo never sweats. I'm up over 150 mph in 3 areas at RA and well over 160 mph before braking into turn one every lap, lap after lap and the turbo never sweats. ( although I do Bottom line for me is that the turbo feels more special because of what it doesn't have and what it can do on track. I run with GT3s on fast tracks like Road America, Autobahn Country Club, Mid Ohio, Road Atlanta, etc. Many racers give me the nod when they see what a turbo can do and that I drive it 1000 miles and back to do it. I've done the same in my F10 just not quite as fast. 😎 |
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That experience alone convinced me to buy my own. These are tough cars with vicious performance. |
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The Turbo S run 10.5.10.7's at 131-133 MPH bone stock and can race all day - drags and road course - while still being completely livable and luxurious to drive (so says every Mag write up by every reviewer.). Some of the new tuning work coming up is also pretty impressive - FBO packages looking to touch 9's at 145 MPH. And the stock internals - trans and clutch are so solid. It is a difficult platform to beat for the price point. |
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Interesting thread. As both an F10 and 991.2 Turbo (non S) owner i can say I'm a huge fan of both but for different reasons. I agree with those saying the F90 is an over achiever. It's definitely the sleeper of the two. Great comfort and has all the tech goodies. Now that the F90 has AWD it makes for one very quick and fast street car. That's what the turbo laid claim too through several generations. It was simply one of the quickest stock street cars you could buy and any idiot could launch it (I'm proof of that) anytime they wanted and as many times as they wanted.
I used to get frustrated when launching my F10 because I couldn't count on LC working whenever I wanted it too. The Porsche LC is just too easy making access to all the performance easier and providing confidence that it will be there all the time, every time. I think there is something to be said for that when engaging in "public road acceleration comparison tests" from a dig. I always knew my F10 was fast but when you're sitting in a turbo, you never once worry about getting maximum performance no matter the conditions. All that said, now with AWD and more power I'm back looking at the M5C and trying to compare it to the upcoming 992 Turbo S. Money certainly plays a factor but if the rumors are true about the performance and power of the 992 turbo, that will change the discussion. Still, these are great problems to have. 😎 |
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I’m still skeptical. Made the F90 my daily and I’ve not done that since 1982. The F90 is that much an Over Achiever. It impressed me every day. 911 has a high bar to cross. At my elevation, a 10.8 at 130mph and a 2.7 yo 60mph is getting it done. I’m at V210. Should arrive in April. Pain to get since they only sell 300ish per year in the States. Don’t think it will move me out of M Town. |
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I went from f10 M5 to 991.1 TTS. While the 911 is super fun and as mentioned go cart like, it is much less practical and less comfortable than the M5. It also gets a lot more attention which I don't care for. My TTS has an exhaust and a tune so it is plenty fast but I must say that I miss the luxury and comfort combined with the sleeper status of the M5. I'm patiently waiting for the LCI F90 before I make a decision.
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I have to agree with what has been said before. The mere fact that a luxury sedan is being compared to an iconic sports car is mind blowing.
These days with respect to performance and comfort and practicality one really can have their cake and eat it too. Bravo BMW.
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