[mr_dennis_s]

So I am trying to figure out best route to take to make my 19 Comp faster. I am leaning toward HCP stage 2 tune with MSR Intakes and downpipes. MSR seems to makes some very high quality hardware for M5. Those intakes give the car an insane sound. HCP seems to have fastest 60-100 on dragy with mid to high 2's. Their 60-130 times seem to be very low 6's on just pump gas no meth no e85. Exactly what I am looking for.

While researching this tune I find myself somewhat confused and wanted to see if any of you can shed some light on this for me.

1) I understand Bootmod3 is a platform to load tunes and easily switch maps. Are the HCP tune and the BM3 tune one in the same or are they completely different tunes? I have been speaking with a BM3 dealer and they have yet to answer this question.

2) Are the tunes from HC Performance by Halim the same as the HCP. US tunes?

3) I was told I could not get tuned for a custom HCP tune if I only want to run 93 and the only option was just an OTS tune. Why is that the case? Isn't every car different and needs a custom tune or logs/dyno to make the most power?

4) From reading through the many threads I am aware that the tune will take care of the CEL from going catless but will it pass readiness when I go in for my annual inspection?


Thanks so much in advance for those that know the answers.

[JBA87]

I have HCP Stage 2 on my 2019 comp and cannot put anything near low 6s down. Those logs are all on some form of ethanol blends. I think 6.8 is probably a better target in hcp Stage 2 w pump. I've yet to break 7.0, although it's currently very hot in Florida currently @ 84 degrees.

BM3 is the platform to load in the HCP tune by halim

[mr_dennis_s]

Originally Posted by JBA87

I have HCP Stage 2 on my 2019 comp and cannot put anything near low 6s down. Those logs are all on some form of ethanol blends. I think 6.8 is probably a better target in hcp Stage 2 w pump. I've yet to break 7.0, although it's currently very hot in Florida currently @ 84 degrees.

BM3 is the platform to load in the HCP tune by halim

Oh that's helpful. Thanks. So any of the low 6 sec 60-130 times on dragy
are either race gas or e85 blends?

[JBA87]

Yes. I know many of them say "93" but they are typicall the e30 maps .. BM3/hcp will admit that 6.8 is a more resonance target on a stage 2 map with just 93 pump gas and no ethanol, meth, or octane booster

[JBA87]

I just logged this 60-130 on only 93 octane (no ethanol or meth) .. tank was low (but empty light hasn't turned on yet) this was from a dig (not a roll) with DME Stage 2 and primary and secondary downpipes from evolution Racewerks

[mr_dennis_s]

Originally Posted by JBA87

Yes. I know many of them say "93" but they are typicall the e30 maps .. BM3/hcp will admit that 6.8 is a more resonance target on a stage 2 map with just 93 pump gas and no ethanol, meth, or octane booster

I really appreciate that JBA87. That helps put things into perspective. I may need to go back to the drawing board now.

[JBA87]

If they tell you otherwise, or you manage to record better times on HCP w just 93, let me know because the bootmod3 platform. Is great and I prefer to use BM3 for loading my tune .. but I can't see to put down the crazy numbers seen on dragy

[FloridaM5]

Are the pro tuning freaks (in bm3) and hcp ecu files the same? Do they share software and just relabel it for bm3?

They are either related organizations or they all market for each other, HCP.US as well...also trying to understand how they are arranged.

[JBA87]

It's very confusing to me as well


I originally purchased HCP Custom Flash but requested that it be uploaded through BM3.

When they released the BM3 OTS Flash they told me that my tune and the BM3 OTS Flash were the same.

What I do not know is whether I actually received an HCP Custom flash or whether they just pushed me the BM3 OTS flash early so I could load it into the BM3 platform.

One of the problems with HCP/BM3 and Burger Tuning is that they don't have a phone and all correspondence is completed through an email help desk, which drives me absolutely nuts .. you often get no response or have to wait several hour or even days for a less than satisfactory response

This is one reason I love Mo@DME. He - or someone on his team - is readily available - and he did this novel thing: he picked up his cell phone and called me.

[mr_dennis_s]

Oh good.... I thought that I was the only one that was wondering about the distinction between HCP and BM3. I have already sent an email to a BM3 distributor and have yet to hear back. It's definitely tough not having a phone number to call and get an answer.

JBA87 thanks for heads up on DME. I will reach out to them this week with some questions. I have also been doing some more reading and it seems Evolve has a pretty impressive tune as well. So that's an option too.

[boredM]

If I tune Ill be calling Mo

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by FloridaM5

Are the pro tuning freaks (in bm3) and hcp ecu files the same? Do they share software and just relabel it for bm3?

They are either related organizations or they all market for each other, HCP.US as well...also trying to understand how they are arranged.

Bootmod3 is the Platform and you can load any tune you want as long as they send you a single file.

BM3 provides their OTS (Good Maps with a Balance not maxing out the car)

HCP is the Tuner for the OTS maps (50k+ cars run BM3 OTS from different engines)

He also tunes via BM3 and in Europe (Himself or Dealers across the Globe via his specific maps made for each individual car).

The best way to run a tune today would be through BM3 if possible because it has a whole data-logging suite and you can see how everything looks, read codes, and switch map faster in 1 minute.

For those with 93 looking to go into the 6's, becareful on how aggressive your 93 tune is because you can run 6's today on 93 on great weather but tomorrow if its 75F you won't since these cars perform depending on their ambient but also their in-tank fuel.

I personally don't search for the fastest and aggressive on 93 because there's no safety or proper octane in there. I leave that for E30 or Racegas maps thats where the extra power can be gained, safer and more consistent.

Bootmod3 in all my cars since 2016

[ss_m5]

Originally Posted by FSociety

I personally don't search for the fastest and aggressive on 93 because there's no safety or proper octane in there. I leave that for E30 or Racegas maps thats where the extra power can be gained, safer and more consistent.

Bootmod3 in all my cars since 2016

Any harm in running E30 OTS tunes all the time? Or is it more for when you want more power and better times? Just wondering since E85 is easy to get around me.

[FloridaM5]

Originally Posted by FSociety

Bootmod3 is the Platform and you can load any tune you want as long as they send you a single file.

BM3 provides their OTS (Good Maps with a Balance not maxing out the car)

HCP is the Tuner for the OTS maps (50k+ cars run BM3 OTS from different engines)

He also tunes via BM3 and in Europe (Himself or Dealers across the Globe via his specific maps made for each individual car).

The best way to run a tune today would be through BM3 if possible because it has a whole data-logging suite and you can see how everything looks, read codes, and switch map faster in 1 minute.

For those with 93 looking to go into the 6's, becareful on how aggressive your 93 tune is because you can run 6's today on 93 on great weather but tomorrow if its 75F you won't since these cars perform depending on their ambient but also their in-tank fuel.

I personally don't search for the fastest and aggressive on 93 because there's no safety or proper octane in there. I leave that for E30 or Racegas maps thats where the extra power can be gained, safer and more consistent.

Bootmod3 in all my cars since 2016

Thanks very much man. Who should I reach out to acquire the HCP tcu tune from, via bm3?

[mr_dennis_s]

Originally Posted by FSociety

Bootmod3 is the Platform and you can load any tune you want as long as they send you a single file.

BM3 provides their OTS (Good Maps with a Balance not maxing out the car)

HCP is the Tuner for the OTS maps (50k+ cars run BM3 OTS from different engines)

He also tunes via BM3 and in Europe (Himself or Dealers across the Globe via his specific maps made for each individual car).

The best way to run a tune today would be through BM3 if possible because it has a whole data-logging suite and you can see how everything looks, read codes, and switch map faster in 1 minute.

For those with 93 looking to go into the 6's, becareful on how aggressive your 93 tune is because you can run 6's today on 93 on great weather but tomorrow if its 75F you won't since these cars perform depending on their ambient but also their in-tank fuel.

I personally don't search for the fastest and aggressive on 93 because there's no safety or proper octane in there. I leave that for E30 or Racegas maps thats where the extra power can be gained, safer and more consistent.

Bootmod3 in all my cars since 2016

FSociety Thanks for the clarification. Very informative!

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by ss_m5

Any harm in running E30 OTS tunes all the time? Or is it more for when you want more power and better times? Just wondering since E85 is easy to get around me.

No harm at all, the OTS maps have been in testing for a long time.
The Great thing they see FREE Updates as time permits, which is the great thing about this platform.

Originally Posted by FloridaM5

Thanks very much man. Who should I reach out to acquire the HCP tcu tune from, via bm3?

Anytime, sending you PM.

Originally Posted by mr_dennis_s

FSociety Thanks for the clarification. Very informative!

If you're going to run just pump gas is best to stick with OTS maps unless you have really good fuel like they do in Europe and it outperforms out 93 by a lot.

[JBA87]

What about just doing 93 with a small mix of ethanol to get "better 93" ... id love to be pushed a powerful stage 2 custom map from HCp in my
BM3

[Qtr.M.Power]

I'm running HCP custom St.2+ now and I'm getting
(100-200) in 5.3 sec
Mods:
Downpipes (upper + lower)
Project Gamma intakes
Snow performance methanol kit
HCP custom St.2+ tune

[Qtr.M.Power]

Originally Posted by Qtr.M.Power

I'm running HCP custom St.2+ now and I'm getting
(100-200) in 5.3 sec
Mods:
Downpipes (upper + lower)
Project Gamma intakes
Snow performance methanol kit
HCP custom St.2+ tune

Now I finished installing Turbo systems upgraded turbos and waiting for Halim to replay and tune my car !

[FSociety]

Originally Posted by Qtr.M.Power

Now I finished installing Turbo systems upgraded turbos and waiting for Halim to replay and tune my car !

Are you working with @TwintGarage.qa ?
Cant wait to see you in the 4's 100-200

KanooPerformance car in Bahrain still holds Stock Turbo 100-200 Record at 5.05s, 5.15s, 5.19s, 3x in a row this year

[JBA87]

What gas is that ?

[YanoM5]

Originally Posted by JBA87

What gas is that ?

Did you ever decide on a tune?

I was looking up the price point for bootmod3 for our cars and I think I remember seeing $1100, HCP was like $1700+. Why would anyone pay that extra money for HCP if all they are doing is loading the same map for the cheaper bootmod3.

I spoke to Halim on the bootmod3 forums for my F10 M5 and asked if I should get a custom tune for my 92 gas and he said OTS 91 or 93 is all I need. After beating my head too and wanting to get a semi aggressive tune it seems the 2 options are pay $2700 for a DME 93 oct tune or $1100 and bundle pack for BM3 and run their E30 map.