[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by AndroidRobot

no one is going to say look at my original EV Tesla but they will drool over the M5 CS or Hellcat in 20 years

when EV's can weigh as little and have the same dynamics let me know. They're heavy, you feel the weight, sure straight line they can be fast but it's not the same

We really aren't that far off concerning the weight tbh, here are some quick google numbers for the class:

-M5 CS: 4036 lb on scale, per BMW blog
-M5 C: 4370 lb on scale, per this post
-E63s: 4515 lb per C&D
-Panny Turbo S: 4751 lb per MT
-Panny Turbo S e-hybrid: 5300 lb per MT
-RS6 (avant): 4960 lbs per C&D
-Plaid: 4833 lb on scale per Dragtimes in this article

Seems to be right in there with the rest of them, even compared to the M5C we're only talking ~10% difference with almost double the power. I think it's totally within BMW or any other manufacturer's power to have an EV handle just as good as anything you'd expect, especially if they don't also throw in a massive long range battery pack. In terms of outright performance, Pobst set both the lap times for the base F90 M5 (1:39.81) at 2018's BDC, and the recent Plaid flyer (1:30.4). All I'm saying is I would welcome that kind of performance in a BMW. We spend a lot of time here bitching about grills, can we complain about falling behind in power now?

CS will be remembered for sure as it's limited, but how much more memorable would any of these cars be if they could turn out a lap faster than a GT3? Or embarrass a Demon at the strip?

[mpizutti]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

You might have trouble finding one.

If you love the M8, I would talk to your dealer about getting on the list for the M8CS. I haven't even heard a slightest bit of a rumor about it, but I am guessing that they will make one and then the M8CS will be the most powerful road going BMW.

There has been an M8 with a wing that people were saying it is the test
Mule M8cs..my dealer has already offered me the M5cs..I told them no
But with the reviews..its making me think..

[TrevorM3]

i wonder how much power the CS is really making.... probably 650 or so.

I didn't know the Hellcat redeye weighed so much. CS is 500lbs lighter, thats crazy.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by VCP

Sick of seeing M5CS in my feeds. Who gives a F about the CS. With only 25 in Canada and no chance of getting one it becomes completely irrelevant to me. Congratulations to the very fortunate few though.

What I hate is this artificial scarcity that BMW has created with these CS models. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

BMW Person 1: Let's withhold a few goodies from the normal versions of our cars so we can make a more expensive CS model.

BMW Person 2: They won't be a good value and many people won't buy them at those prices.

BMW Person 1: What if we artificially cap production to create faux exclusivity and FOMO.

BMW Person 2: Brilliant!

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

We really aren't that far off concerning the weight tbh, here are some quick google numbers for the class:

-M5 CS: 4036 lb on scale, per BMW blog
-M5 C: 4370 lb on scale, per this post
-E63s: 4515 lb per C&D
-Panny Turbo S: 4751 lb per MT
-Panny Turbo S e-hybrid: 5300 lb per MT
-RS6 (avant): 4960 lbs per C&D
-Plaid: 4833 lb on scale per Dragtimes in this article

Seems to be right in there with the rest of them, even compared to the M5C we're only talking ~10% difference with almost double the power. I think it's totally within BMW or any other manufacturer's power to have an EV handle just as good as anything you'd expect, especially if they don't also throw in a massive long range battery pack. In terms of outright performance, Pobst set both the lap times for the base F90 M5 (1:39.81) at 2018's BDC, and the recent Plaid flyer (1:30.4). All I'm saying is I would welcome that kind of performance in a BMW. We spend a lot of time here bitching about grills, can we complain about falling behind in power now?

CS will be remembered for sure as it's limited, but how much more memorable would any of these cars be if they could turn out a lap faster than a GT3? Or embarrass a Demon at the strip?

800lbs is a lot and those lap times compare the top end Tesla to a base M5 so they aren't the same. My point is people will list after proper sports car in 20 years not an original Tesla or other EV which is what makes the CS better. I don't think it needs more power but sure you can add it (I know you're saying BMW needs to)

There's more to a car than just lap times, how they feel to drive is important too. Like my M2 I just sold, it had character, was it the quickest? no, it was a blast to drive every day it put a smile on my face as I would rev it out and hear the shifts. Electric cars don't give that excitement at all

[iwant335i]

That CS is gonna kill with AWD I was expecting, that would beat the Dodge in RWD mode only I wasn't sure, that It would loose in a roll I was sure and it didn't...

BTW Comp stock dyno in Russia was aprrox 67x crank by @dsc_off so CS probably 700 hp stock

[VCP]

Originally Posted by chris719

What I hate is this artificial scarcity that BMW has created with these CS models. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

BMW Person 1: Let's withhold a few goodies from the normal versions of our cars so we can make a more expensive CS model.

BMW Person 2: They won't be a good value and many people won't buy them at those prices.

BMW Person 1: What if we artificially cap production to create faux exclusivity and FOMO.

BMW Person 2: Brilliant!

Somewhat true. I do know and am in contact with many engineers at Garching and staff of M division. They put a little more of their heart into those models believe me. The reigns from the upper chain get loosened a bit for these. It's simply not "bolt ons".

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by AndroidRobot

no one is going to say look at my original EV Tesla but they will drool over the M5 CS or Hellcat in 20 years

when EV's can weigh as little and have the same dynamics let me know. They're heavy, you feel the weight, sure straight line they can be fast but it's not the same

It's always funny seeing that one dude roll into a cars & coffee in his EV and thinks people are gonna care yet nobody takes a look at them. Everybody wants to see a car's motor, hear it rev, etc. Here in SoCal you'd be hard pressed to find any EVs at a car show.

There's a c&c in the Seattle area I frequent which banned Teslas because they are so common. Every techie dweeb has one.

[stefan]

The CS/GTS models have never really appealed to me. But this M5 CS really does. It is so absurd and yet so good. Love me a charger as well. Even in non hellcat trim these cars are such a hoot to mash the throttle in.

Oh well. I'd be surprised to even see a CS in person given the rarity. Congrats to the few.

[BMWRL]

Dream car for sure

[MNoob]

My dealer gave me a CS slot that was moving into production. I thought about it hard, but it's missing too much of the stuff I like about the M5. This video made me cringe over my decision. For a few minutes anyway. What an amazing car. My 14 yo son was with me when I passed. He's bitter.

[MSchfiftyFive]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

It's always funny seeing that one dude roll into a cars & coffee in his EV and thinks people are gonna care yet nobody takes a look at them. Everybody wants to see a car's motor, hear it rev, etc. Here in SoCal you'd be hard pressed to find any EVs at a car show.

There's a c&c in the Seattle area I frequent which banned Teslas because they are so common. Every techie dweeb has one.

I'll be an ICE guy (though I completely support leaving your cats in place to do their job and chasing ever more efficient versions for as long as they exist) while the purpose of my vehicle is having fun. I only drive it 5-6K miles per year at most.

My buddy (also in Seattle area) that's also really into cars picked up a used P90D last year (he calls it a "supercar") and couldn't understand why I hated it, haha. They're so unoriginal, interior fit and finish is totally lacking, that particular version can only even run low 11's w/ a perfectly prepped battery, and he let me drive it and there's just zero emotion. The acceleration is there, it's fun, but it's just not the same! I love hearing my M5C (and everything I've had before it for the past decade) snarl and scream w/ the windows down as you put it through it's paces, I just don't get the same feeling in an EV.

Now, as a daily commuter at some point in the future, as a utility, I totally support owning one, but I'll never keep it in the same company as my M5C (or this totally bad ass M5CS), or my previous RS7, or a 911 Turbo S, even if it can be faster.

[StevenJMenna]

I have 2 coming—-PM me if you want to know more

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by VCP

I hear ya. I do have a 2019 M5C Imola Red. It is great! I also own a 2010 Dakar edition M3, M4GTS, 2017 M6 Gran Coupe Makufaktur edition, M2CS as well. The M5CS would have been a good fit in my stable.

I concur

[MacOSR]

This is pre window tint...when I heard that the CS was going to be a special color theme I opted for the Comp and added all the carbon, the forged wheels, steering wheel, and comp exhaust. Just finished the tint and next on the list is a piggyback. I should weigh the wheels and compare them to my stock wheels. I would be shocked if these wheels weren't more than 50 lbs lighter than the stock wheels. HUGE difference. Anyhow, unless you love the gold accents (they're not for me) and the carbon seats (not for me) then a properly specced Comp is is perfect for a sports sedan, or even better, IMHO.

[mfarrzhp]

Originally Posted by chris719

What I hate is this artificial scarcity that BMW has created with these CS models. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

BMW Person 1: Let's withhold a few goodies from the normal versions of our cars so we can make a more expensive CS model.

BMW Person 2: They won't be a good value and many people won't buy them at those prices.

BMW Person 1: What if we artificially cap production to create faux exclusivity and FOMO.

BMW Person 2: Brilliant!

It's not fake exclusivity, it is exclusive. Whether it's intentional or not is the question.

600 or so M2 CS's in the US sold, and people thought it would flop. That said, I think there would still be many on the lot if they brought 2,000 of these $90K M2s to the US.

Same goes for the M5 CS. I think the average M5 driver is less likely to forego some of the creature comforts compared to M2 enthusiasts. I would be all for the M5 CS, and even more so if it came with a 6MT.

F80 M3 CS had a very slow sales run for a while. Starting to pick up on the secondary market along with everything else. It should have also had a 6MT option, at least in the US.

[JamesThrottle]

Originally Posted by mfarrzhp

I think the average M5 driver is less likely to forego some of the creature comforts compared to M2 enthusiasts.

Yep I agree with this. Whilst the M5 CS is more track-ready and fun, the absence of ride comfort is in quite stark contrast to the personality of a 5 series, whereas it doesn't contradict a 2 series as much. Will be interesting to see.

[subterFUSE]

"There's no such thing as too much horsepower, only not enough German." 😂

[AHall]

I applaud BMW for limiting the production. It is better for the owners. If people want one they can probably still get one.

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by MacOSR

This is pre window tint...when I heard that the CS was going to be a special color theme I opted for the Comp and added all the carbon, the forged wheels, steering wheel, and comp exhaust. Just finished the tint and next on the list is a piggyback. I should weigh the wheels and compare them to my stock wheels. I would be shocked if these wheels weren't more than 50 lbs lighter than the stock wheels. HUGE difference. Anyhow, unless you love the gold accents (they're not for me) and the carbon seats (not for me) then a properly specced Comp is is perfect for a sports sedan, or even better, IMHO.

Love that color! BMW makes some amazing shades of blue.

[MacOSR]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

Love that color! BMW makes some amazing shades of blue.

If I could have gotten Interlogos Blue I would have. That was still my all-time favorite color but this is close to it.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by mfarrzhp

It's not fake exclusivity, it is exclusive. Whether it's intentional or not is the question.

600 or so M2 CS's in the US sold, and people thought it would flop. That said, I think there would still be many on the lot if they brought 2,000 of these $90K M2s to the US.

Same goes for the M5 CS. I think the average M5 driver is less likely to forego some of the creature comforts compared to M2 enthusiasts. I would be all for the M5 CS, and even more so if it came with a 6MT.

F80 M3 CS had a very slow sales run for a while. Starting to pick up on the secondary market along with everything else. It should have also had a 6MT option, at least in the US.

Yeah that's what I mean by "artificial", as in, they capped production numbers so there wouldn't be the perception of easy availability.

I don't really know why they insist on removing things from these cars to appear edgy. Like, removing the center console / armrest on the M2 CS? This isn't a CSL and those 5 lbs they saved isn't doing anything but making people annoyed.