[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by irablumberg

I can't speak for anyone else, but my reasons for being skeptical / critical of the M5CS are as follows.

First, BMW hyped the CS as being a 'ring champ, but so far everything we have seen suggests it is well behind the AMG GT 63S and Porsche Panamera Turbo S, not to mention the just released Tesla Plaid. I would like to see BMW live up to the hype.

Second, I likely would not have purchased a CS even if it had been available at the time I wanted / needed a new car. I purchased my M5C as a road trip car, so the self driving features and massage and ventilated seats were important features. However, the CS was billed as having higher performance than the Comp. I was therefore interested in learning about the higher performance parts that I could potentially install on my Comp. It now appears that the main sources of higher performance are (1) suspension parts that appear to be shared with the Comp; (2) slight engine tuning; and (3) weight reduction associated with the seats (which I don't want), the CCB brakes about which I am ambivalent since I don't plan to track my car, and the CF hood (which might be interesting, but not at the likely price of $10K). The other CS exclusive parts are mostly cosmetic like the gold wheels and CF spoilers and mirror caps.

In short, I am not bashing the CS or justifying my not purchasing it. I am just disappointed that the CS did not turn out to be a roadmap for tuning and upgrading my Comp.

While the aesthetics of the CS do not appeal to me, I think it is a fine car and at least based on US pricing, it looks like a reasonable deal, particularly for anyone who wants all the CF goodies as those alone would raise the price of a Comp to CS level.

I doubt BMW will do these CS models like this again for the next generation. All of them were universally applauded by motoring journalists for the way they feel and drive, and all of them were panned (at least initially) by customers for various reasons (lap times, perceived value).

Only after BMW gave 0.9% financing on the M2 CS and it won multiple "car of the year" awards, is it now selling in the US for 20k over MSRP used. Those cars still languish in the EU.

Same thing is happening with the M5 CS. M5/M5C buyers don't seem interested, sports car buyers probably won't chose this over a 911 Turbo and new cars available. Hard to figure out who the market is for this car.

[vafan13]

Originally Posted by Chicane_

Weight savings vs the M5C per European articles is 70kg while I've seen 230 pounds (105 kgs) quoted in US publications. Does it make sense that North American cars benefit from a larger weight savings (no OPFs?) or is this a misprint?

I can't remember the exact cause, but yes, it is accurate.

[Chicane_]

Originally Posted by vafan13

I can't remember the exact cause, but yes, it is accurate.

Would be interesting to know where they found the extra 80 pounds.

I presume M5 Comps built for North America were never equipped with OPFs so the reduction likely comes from elsewhere.

[dezzracer]

Originally Posted by TheStanman

For those saying this is a reflection of how good the M5C is, I think they're forgetting how lukewarm journalists feel towards that car (in terms of subjective experience, not objective performance).

It really seems BMW has figured out how to bring back that special "something" with the CS models, where they are much more than the sum of their parts. I just wish BMW went back to when that's what all M cars were.

Agree. BMW M engineers seem to have CS Formula that no one can quite figure out. Sum total of all parts, driveline and chassis tweaks? Who knows but the CS models work regardless.

I can only speak for myself but these high-end cars (regardless of make) and the price we are willing pay are about emotion not just capability. Having a unique limited run special edition is worth it to me from the moment I open the door.

[karbonphiber]

What kind of crack do parents smoke to name their child Jethro ?

[josec70]

Originally Posted by karbonphiber

What kind of crack do parents smoke to name their child Jethro ?

Maybe after the Band Jethro Tull?

[windtendo]

Originally Posted by Chicane_

Would be interesting to know where they found the extra 80 pounds.

I presume M5 Comps built for North America were never equipped with OPFs so the reduction likely comes from elsewhere.

CCBs, carbon seats, cheaper stereo, and carbon hood. Voila.

[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by irablumberg

I can't speak for anyone else, but my reasons for being skeptical / critical of the M5CS are as follows.



I think it is a fine car and at least based on US pricing, it looks like a reasonable deal, particularly for anyone who wants all the CF goodies as those alone would raise the price of a Comp to CS level.

US pricing is way better than here in Europe were BMW have put a £50K price hike on it That's Pounds not Dollars, they are taking the piss.

[samj2k]

Originally Posted by JOHNBMWM5

US pricing is way better than here in Europe were BMW have put a £50K price hike on it That's Pounds not Dollars, they are taking the piss.

It's crazy, I got a quote on a new M5 Comp, Tech Pack, Comfort Plus Pack, M Pro pack with Carbons, laser lights and it was £93,495, or £87,795 without the carbons, so about £23k discount, the M5 CS they won't do any discount on, so looking at around £55k extra if you don't want the carbons or £49k extra if you want the carbons. Crazy pricing, I can't see them selling out in the UK, I expect discounts to be happening fairly soon, or everyone will just go for the Ultimate Pack with a huge discount and save £40k. A fully optioned Ultimate Pack M8 is working out much cheaper than the M5 CS and it's a more expensive list car...

[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by samj2k

It's crazy, I got a quote on a new M5 Comp, Tech Pack, Comfort Plus Pack, M Pro pack with Carbons, laser lights and it was £93,495, or £87,795 without the carbons, so about £23k discount, the M5 CS they won't do any discount on, so looking at around £55k extra if you don't want the carbons or £49k extra if you want the carbons. Crazy pricing, I can't see them selling out in the UK, I expect discounts to be happening fairly soon, or everyone will just go for the Ultimate Pack with a huge discount and save £40k. A fully optioned Ultimate Pack M8 is working out much cheaper than the M5 CS and it's a more expensive list car...

Yep the F90 M5 with ultimate pack will be my next car.

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by JOHNBMWM5

Yep the F90 M5 with ultimate pack will be my next car.

What is the "Ultimate Pack"? I don't think we have that on this side of the pond.

[Simon H]

Originally Posted by samj2k

It's crazy, I got a quote on a new M5 Comp, Tech Pack, Comfort Plus Pack, M Pro pack with Carbons, laser lights and it was £93,495, or £87,795 without the carbons, so about £23k discount, the M5 CS they won't do any discount on, so looking at around £55k extra if you don't want the carbons or £49k extra if you want the carbons. Crazy pricing, I can't see them selling out in the UK, I expect discounts to be happening fairly soon, or everyone will just go for the Ultimate Pack with a huge discount and save £40k. A fully optioned Ultimate Pack M8 is working out much cheaper than the M5 CS and it's a more expensive list car...

Very similar here, so i bought the M5 Competition LCI, with virtually the spec you mentioned, minus the comfort pack.

[irablumberg]

Originally Posted by windtendo

CCBs, carbon seats, cheaper stereo, and carbon hood. Voila.

Don't forget removed sound insulation material for additional weight savings.

I have to say the CS does not make sense to me. Compared to the Comp it has reduced utility (no fold down rear seats, only 4 seats vs. 5, no self driving, no center console storage) and reduced comfort (no upgraded stereo, increased road noise from removed sound insulation, no massage seats, no ventilated seats).

The M5 Comp is a great road trip and long distance cruising car. The CS takes away much of what contributes to that utility. At the same time, the CS does not make sense as a dedicated track car.

I suppose the CS works as a daily commuter for shorter commutes, say 30 to 45 minutes, with occasional family hauling for weekend errands.

The CS would have much broader appeal if BMW had left in all the stuff that makes the Comp such a great cruiser while adding another level of performance.

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by irablumberg

Don't forget removed sound insulation material for additional weight savings.

I have to say the CS does not make sense to me. Compared to the Comp it has reduced utility (no fold down rear seats, only 4 seats vs. 5, no self driving, no center console storage) and reduced comfort (no upgraded stereo, increased road noise from removed sound insulation, no massage seats, no ventilated seats).

The M5 Comp is a great road trip and long distance cruising car. The CS takes away much of what contributes to that utility. At the same time, the CS does not make sense as a dedicated track car.

I suppose the CS works as a daily commuter for shorter commutes, say 30 to 45 minutes, with occasional family hauling for weekend errands.

The CS would have much broader appeal if BMW had left in all the stuff that makes the Comp such a great cruiser while adding another level of performance.

Why does a car made in a very limited quantity need a broader appeal?

[samj2k]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

What is the "Ultimate Pack"? I don't think we have that on this side of the pond.

It's a pack that gives you every pack at a slightly reduced cost. It's £19k extra, but gets you a lot for the money. Even at list it's still £20k cheaper than the CS, but you can get around £23k discount off that so almost £45k cheaper than a CS. I'm not sure how much an M5 Comp (We only get the Comp here now) with all of those packs is in the US and how close to CS price it would be, but we get huge discounts over here, except for the CS, for now anyway…

[bimmerbeast7]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

Why do so many M5C owners feel that they have to justify why they don't like/want the M5CS?

oh no i def want one.. i said i did not have the ability to order one

then i explained how i tried to replicate one and tried to soothe myself by adding the pewter accents arenf the best

I however don't understand why they would do red calipers on the CS instead of a unique to the CS color. Specially since they're doing the red calipers on all the other non-M 5ers

[bimmerbeast7]

Originally Posted by malrash

It’s called ‘cognitive dissonance’ ….pretty well described actually

im actually displaying cognitive harmony.

i think the m5 looks best in comp pack and black.. and that's what i ordered

My actions and beliefs are in harmony, not dissonance.

'justifying my actions/beliefs' would have been the correct analysis

But that didn't sound as intelligent as you using the word 'cognitive dissonance' nevermind you not knowing when to use it

lmao

[malrash]

Originally Posted by bimmerbeast7

im actually displaying cognitive harmony.

i think the m5 looks best in comp pack and black.. and that's what i ordered

My actions and beliefs are in harmony, not dissonance.

'justifying my actions/beliefs' would have been the correct analysis

But that didn't sound as intelligent as you using the word 'cognitive dissonance' nevermind you not knowing when to use it

lmao

Sure. Keep repeating that to yourself, and lmao-ing
Whatever floats your boat buddy