[avi66]

Originally Posted by EWL5

When it comes to car audio, I don’t get too excited over “high end” names. The rep of the home audio brand doesn’t always translate for car audio.

Although, a modern car is more like a home theatre in terms of multiple seating position, surround speakers, digital source/content, and surround sound with associated necessity for environmental DSP.

Many of the legacy brands made their reputation in stereo analogue back in the day, but the modern car world is a digital domain, so those that excel in the HT and digital world are likely capable of doing a decent job in car.

Bottom line, car manufacturers just look for audio brand names that people recognise and will pay a premium for, but many car audio brands are part of the same group i.e. HK, B&O auto etc are ultimately subsidiaries of Samsung. In the case of B&O auto, it’s a subsidiary of Harman that uses some B&O IP under license in a deal struck around 2015.

[EWL5]

Originally Posted by avi66

Although, a modern car is more like a home theatre in terms of multiple seating position, surround speakers, digital source/content, and surround sound with associated necessity for environmental DSP.

Many of the legacy brands made their reputation in stereo analogue back in the day, but the modern car world is a digital domain, so those that excel in the HT and digital world are likely capable of doing a decent job in car.

Bottom line, car manufacturers just look for audio brand names that people recognise and will pay a premium for, but many car audio brands are part of the same group i.e. HK, B&O auto etc are ultimately subsidiaries of Samsung. In the case of B&O auto, it’s a subsidiary of Harman that uses some B&O IP under license in a deal struck around 2015.

I'd be surprised if any car B&O systems use their ICEpower Class D amps but highly doubt it. Until this and/or Dirac comes to car audio for on-demand calibration, color me unimpressed!

Car audio continues to be a "tack on" for cars unless Dolby Atmos music gets much more footing (BD Audio, SACD, and DVD-A certainly didn't)!

[avi66]

Originally Posted by EWL5

I'd be surprised if any car B&O systems use their ICEpower Class D amps but highly doubt it. Until this and/or Dirac comes to car audio for on-demand calibration, color me unimpressed!

Car audio continues to be a "tack on" for cars unless Dolby Atmos music gets much more footing (BD Audio, SACD, and DVD-A certainly didn't)!

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[EWL5]

Originally Posted by avi66

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Great that ICEpower is used. That only solves efficiency and heat production. Dirac needs to show up for UXP and not just for development.

[Tchgrif]

Originally Posted by Sportstick

I did not know there was lesbian soccer. Do they kick the balls extra hard or avoid them completely?

all soccer is lesbian soccer

[Tchgrif]

Originally Posted by Oldgixxer

Are the neighbors lesbians? If so,pics are required

umm they look exactly like al the other soccer moms, they aren't scissoring on the front lawn, not when I've been looking anyways.

[Keefy]

Originally Posted by Tchgrif

all soccer is lesbian soccer

Easy now!

[strohw]

Originally Posted by EWL5

Great that ICEpower is used. That only solves efficiency and heat production. Dirac needs to show up for UXP and not just for development.

I don't believe it'll ever get to the point your implying. You need multiple averaged measurements around the head to get a good result.

[EWL5]

Originally Posted by strohw

I don't believe it'll ever get to the point your implying. You need multiple averaged measurements around the head to get a good result.

Right. I don't believe it's coming either. That's why car audio will never match home audio. It's only coming to us one way and it's "one size fits all", regardless of how tall you are sitting in the seat!

The audio was calibrated to the height and taste of the car audio engineer, for better or for worse!

[avi66]

Originally Posted by EWL5

Right. I don't believe it's coming either. That's why car audio will never match home audio. It's only coming to us one way and it's "one size fits all", regardless of how tall you are sitting in the seat!

The audio was calibrated to the height and taste of the car audio engineer, for better or for worse!

That’s why I love the stuff about the fixed precision measurement people apply using third party products. Move the seat, add a passenger, open the roof blind, open/close the trunk cover, add a load, external/internal noise, etc.

There are just so many variables in a car interior that render this ineffective.

[lfdal54]

Minor hijack on the audio topic. Car audio is so subjective that no two people typically agree on the same thing. But, in my region, I need to be very mindful of emergency vehicles. Often I can hear them long before I can see them. The very dense traffic patterns will do some incredible gyrations to clear a path for them, which is as it should be; after all, it's likely pretty serious if the siren is sounding. The earlier I can hear them, the better I can plan on getting out of their way.

It torques me off to no end when I see an ambulance have to stop on the bumper of someone who has no clue they're behind them. I don't know if the person is busy on the phone, checking emails, or have their music cranked up. I do know it's a ticketable offense to obstruct an emergency vehicle, as well as being morally reprehensible.

So in my case, a portable concert hall is moot. When it comes to highway driving I'd need to raise the sound a lot to mask the wind noise, to the point my spouse would yell at me to turn it down anyway. Plus she likes very different audio entertainment than I do. One of the reasons I didn't order the HK system and can live just fine with the base system.

[Leem40i]

Originally Posted by lfdal54

Minor hijack on the audio topic. Car audio is so subjective that no two people typically agree on the same thing. But, in my region, I need to be very mindful of emergency vehicles. Often I can hear them long before I can see them. The very dense traffic patterns will do some incredible gyrations to clear a path for them, which is as it should be; after all, it's likely pretty serious if the siren is sounding. The earlier I can hear them, the better I can plan on getting out of their way.

It torques me off to no end when I see an ambulance have to stop on the bumper of someone who has no clue they're behind them. I don't know if the person is busy on the phone, checking emails, or have their music cranked up. I do know it's a ticketable offense to obstruct an emergency vehicle, as well as being morally reprehensible.

So in my case, a portable concert hall is moot. When it comes to highway driving I'd need to raise the sound a lot to mask the wind noise, to the point my spouse would yell at me to turn it down anyway. Plus she likes very different audio entertainment than I do. One of the reasons I didn't order the HK system and can live just fine with the base system.

Was there a point

[5LEEPR_G01]

Originally Posted by Leem40i

Was there a point

Yeah, he shared his thoughts on the audio topic? I see you often post sensitive commentary lol go outside and touch some grass bud

[BMWbiker]

[QUOTE=lfdal54;31132926]It torques me off to no end when I see an ambulance have to stop on the bumper of someone who has no clue they're behind them. I don't know if the person is busy on the phone, checking emails, or have their music cranked up. I do know it's a ticketable offense to obstruct an emergency vehicle, as well as being morally reprehensible.


Another possibility: they’re deaf.

One time, I was riding my Beemer on the highway. A Lincoln Town Car started to change lanes into me. I laid on the (upgraded) horn and swerved into the breakdown lane. The elderly driver and passenger didn’t see or hear me.

[lfdal54]

Originally Posted by BMWbiker

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Another possibility: they’re deaf.

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Damn, we have lots of deaf drivers in Massachusetts.

Although seriously I did look it up, deafness is not an impediment to getting a license in any of the 50 states. Around here I would not be comfortable driving deaf.

[Swen6]

Originally Posted by Tchgrif

umm they look exactly like al the other soccer moms, they aren't scissoring on the front lawn, not when I've been looking anyways.

...you'll probably find it's not like the internet...they're generally scary and not something you'd want to watch

[Tchgrif]

Originally Posted by Swen6

...you'll probably find it's not like the internet...they're generally scary and not something you'd want to watch

now you're just being silly, they are not at all scary. one of them offers advise on financial planning the other helps you when you have a big tree to plant. nothing to fear there. unless you meant in the bedroom, in which case I've always found it much better to not try to figure out what anyone does when naked, if I'm not there I don't need to know.

[Swen6]

Originally Posted by bocabimmer

A sport minivan would sell like crazy… or I’m completely overestimating the demand.

I wish BMW kept the 3 row X5 and also took a look at Kia’s implementation of how a second row should move to gain access to the third row… slow electric motors in the X5/7 render it absolutely useless as a family hauler if you need that 3rd row.

In the early 2010's here in Europe Opel/Vauxhall released a sporty van in the shape of the Zafira VXR. In it's time was a smart looking People Carrier/Mini-van but even a little over 10yrs on they look dated.

...more recently Mercedes have the GLB35 which has the ability of 300bhp and 7 seats, we had a lesser model for a year and I absolutly hated the gear selector being on the end of a indicator style stalk, but you wouldn't want to be in the third row for a long distance, and the second row takes a hit when you try to make the third row more comfortable if you slide the bench forward, just all gets a little messy lol ...the electric equivalent EQB can come with up to 290bhp?