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I don’t know much about repairing the aluminum blocks with spray liners. I think the typical fix is sleeving, but I don’t think BMW approves. There is so much labor getting in there — dropping the motor and pulling the heads — that I would probably rebuild the whole motor, but I am not an engine builder with expertise in these motors. I’d like to have mine built before I damage it to the point where it can’t be built. Have to save up $15-25k for the build. Maybe next year. One thing that is no fun is the down time. I got in an accident a couple of years ago and did not get the M5 back for 3 months. I was paying the loan and not getting to drive the car. I no agree with getting a judgment versus collecting. Many small businesses have little to no ability to pay as well as individuals. Always worth researching ability to pay before you put the time and money into litigating, unless there is done other purpose such as when you are evicting someone and while you may get a judgment for unpaid rent, the more important goal was to get them out. |
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02-05-2024, 09:05 PM | #26 | |
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Right now, BMW's position is that the damage was most likely caused by water ingress into the engine. That is certainly possible as this engine should not just randomly bend a rod, especially with the kind of regular highway driving I do. I think that is why they were so focused on it being tuned, because there was just no other logical explanation until the water theory arose. The water I drove through was not very deep, maybe a foot or slightly more, but that might have been enough. I am definitely not dismissing that possibility. Currently, the claim is still being investigated by my private insurance. The oil has been sent out to look for any signs of water, but I was told by the service director said that this is not a very reliable test because it does not take a massive volume of water for this to happen, and that the water would just get sent out through the exhaust, particularly if I was able to keep driving it for a little while. I think it is very likely that my insurer will come back claiming no evidence of water ingress. They will then kick it back to BMW, and who knows where it will go from there. Maybe it will turn into a battle between my insurer and BMW corporate and I can just sit back and watch the fireworks. Last edited by Led_Zep_Fan; 02-05-2024 at 09:31 PM.. |
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Off topic, but thought I’d just throw this your way
So, new replacement engine from bmw runs (if I’m not mistaken) $34-35k . CarBahn has built engines for 24k. Plus they have core refund |
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Core refund may or may not be available for this damaged motor or may be a partial refund. They won’t tell you until they inspect it, and by then you have shipped your engine to them. Not sure what their core charge is — probably $5k to $10k. Perhaps another shop would have been willing to repair your motor, again an unknown. Just stuff to think about. Maybe BMW requires a core charge as well. The used motor on eBay or from LKQ or wherever does not have a core and LKQ may offer a warranty option (that probably does not cover labor to remove and replace the motor).
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02-06-2024, 10:51 AM | #30 |
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You say that you drove through 1' of standing water. BMW warranty will not cover water ingestion, it's not a manufacturing defect. I don't think you have a claim against BMW.
You'll need to pursue a comprehensive claim. The insurance company will want to be able to identify when the damage happened. They will want to know when and where you drove through the standing water. They will get pictures of the area, study if it floods during rain events, look at the weather around the day/time that you provide to determine if it is likely that what you describe happened and caused the bent rod. Good luck. |
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I always thought that water ingestion caused immediate failure because it can't be compressed (so either head gasket or bends a rod depending on how much). If that happened how could it take 3 days to notice an issue? If water somehow got in the oil and caused a lubrication issue that makes sense but OP says insurance company found no evidence of water.
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Just file a lawsuit already. Don't waste anymore time.
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02-06-2024, 10:56 PM | #33 |
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First, sorry to hear about your issue. I wish you the best on your upcoming battle(s). Regarding heavy rain, assuming you ingested some water, an issue would have appeared sooner rather [3-days] later. Regarding your odometer and if I read your post correctly, you logged a little over 41K miles in 38 months or so; 13K per year. Simply curious, did you changed the engine oil & filter every 6K miles; 7K miles at most? And did you run quality (Top Tier 93oct) fuel in GA? Engine wise, nothing will change at this point, but just an FYI, I am a big believer of changing the engine oil & filter twice per year - DYI (before summer & before winter) no matter the mileage. I also run the highest octane possible often tossing in a gallon or two of E85 just to keep things as clean as possible due to the alcohol and I always let my engine warm up (run a good 3.5 to 5mins in the AM in the garage) prior to moving an inch. I am just wondering if you by any chance followed BWM’s recommended oil service interval…if so, could this have contributed to your demise…? Not pointing fingers, but I have seen many guys drive & drive their cars with little attention to maintenance. They simply wait until the car tells them when it is time to conduct a certain service and move on – I do not trust and never follow BMW’s service intervals. Overall, it may be hard to pin-point the actual root cause of your engine issue(s), and frankly, I think BMW is certainly taking the "it's your fault" way out of this mess - perhaps due to the low-risk mods you implemented. Nevertheless, good luck and again, sorry to hear about your mess. |
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No, the opposite of course. They will void your warranty for not changing the oil often enough or not having the records to prove it. *Void may be too broad of a term, probably more like refuse a related warranty claim (anything that is related to oil basically) Last edited by Redacre; 02-07-2024 at 10:40 AM.. |
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Let me clear up what I meant regarding BMW's service intervals. I choose to never wait for the 10K or plus miles interval to change the oil. I always change it sooner, but I do allow BMW (the dealership) to change it at the recommended intervals. Therefore, in the eyes of BMW, the car is meeting their recommendations, but in the eyes of others who know me and myself, I am exceeding it for the better. I follow this same practice with the sparkplugs and so on.
Some of my car friends call it overkill, but I have followed this personal "best practice" of mine with all my current and previous vehicles - new & used for years and thus far, I am batting a 1.000 in the avoiding a major engine/trans issue arena. Or I have been incredibly lucky to have never experienced engine failures, oil smoke, oil consumption, fueling dramas, spark issues and the likes with any of my cars. I hope this clears thing up a little better. |
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Of course not changing often enough would be the more obvious case of that. BUT if it came down to a court decision, and BMW produced an expert that would show that their recommended intervals were ignored (too often or not often enough) and there was some type of way to show that that was even related to the failure in any fashion they probably could. In that event, it would more expensive for them to fight it, so they would likely just fix the issue. But if they wanted to be A holes about it, i'm sure they could get an expert witness to say "yes, based on my findings, had the customer stuck with the recommended service intervals this issue would likely not be present" regardless if its done more often than recommended or not as often than recommended. The sheer fact that you deviated from their recommendations COULD open you up to something like that, if they wanted to take it all the way. |
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Now hear me out.... I dont disagree that changing it more often would likely be better for the motor than sticking to the recommended, BUT, if they found some evidence to show "well actually based on the psychics of the oil and metal characteristics its been proven that changing oil too often can also be detrimental to the reliability of the engine" They would argue that the OP "is not a BMW engineer, technician, petroleum physicist, so we appreciate his efforts to do better than what we recommended, but unfortunately, unless he is trained, or licensed in some fashion in regard to oil, oil changes, and service intervals, his opinion is irrelevant. We paid millions of dollars to study each and every in and out of the engine, oil dynamics, and based on the engineers findings and recommendations, this is the service interval we recommend and we do not recommend deviating from that, for this specific reason. So we're sorry, the repair is on you". Now, that doesnt mean thats reality, that doesnt mean that you actually DID cause the problem, BUT that would be on you to prove otherwise. So you'd be in for a battle if they wanted to. A very expensive battle you'd likely lose, unless you had deep pockets to fight BMWs corporate defense attorneys which I would imagine arent cheap... probably 1000.00 an hour. LOL. Now, I dont necessarily agree with that, but there im sure there is a scientific , or specific reason why they set the service intervals where they do. Be it reliability, or be it monetarily. But in an event, deviating from that schedule they could potentially deny you if you deviate in either direction. Would they if you did it more often? Likely not. But if they found you went way too long without an oil change and that caused the problem, then absolutely they will deny warranty coverage, or attempt to, if they could get away with it. Last edited by jnotrom711; 02-07-2024 at 04:01 PM.. |
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I have always followed the recommended service intervals and always at the dealership, so I should be fine there.
The delay between driving through the water and the start of the knocking is something I have wondered about as well. When I thought back to that week, there were some signs that something was amiss. I remember at least two separate instances where I was driving along, came to a stop, and the engine just shut off. I was able to restart it and keep driving both times without issue. I believe this happened the day after I drove through the water, and then the following day as well. The third day is when it started knocking. There was never any dramatic event and the car was drivable the whole time. I would guess that a failure due to tuning would be a much more dramatic event, but maybe not. I welcome a comprehensive investigation, because my story will absolutely check out. Not trying to hide anything from anyone here. And I have told both my insurance and BMW that repeatedly. |
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Dang it, I wish you would have pulled over, parked the car and had it towed home to drain the oil - yourself, or had it towed somewhere to get it done. This sucks! I feel your pain. A very similar issue to happened to buddy as he drove home from work in a huge down pour with his C6 Corvette. Granted, the car was lowered and he drove through a couple of huge puddles and such. He, like you, felt that something was weird with the car/engine, but kept driving home. He engine did make weird noises and then it finally locked up the next day when he tried cranking it. He need a new LS3 shortblock with oil pump...everything else was fine. Lucky for him, his insurance paid for it. Ps, there is nothing wrong with following BMW's oil service interval, most people do. However, remember one thing: BMW, like all other car manufacturers, they are in the business of selling cars - making profit. I'm just sayin' |
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