[JOHNBMWM5]

Originally Posted by malrash

At the OP’s price delta, I too would have gotten the 911 TTS. M5 CS at TTS prices needs a buyer looking for very specific characteristics. OP isn’t one of those, and that’s ok.

In the US however, the CS makes so much sense especially if you don’t plan on using it as a daily. It certainly can get groceries and can be driven around town (in comparable comfort to the the regular M5, per the reviews) but the charm will start wearing thin after a while. For a regular daily commuter, the regular M5 is probably more apt.

My view too.

[Bluehorseshoe]

@daylaborer hit the nail in the head with this comment:

"Every review published out there states how massively improved the driving experience is on the M5CS vs M5C. I don't see how the reviewer can state" In terms of driving, nothing new, which is good. The M5 has always been an incredible beast"

I mean this is why I'm buying the car, and think this is the main reason most enthusiasts are buying the car.

[Maverik259]

Originally Posted by FourPtDrift

Looks like Civility isn't your strong suit.

Someone posted a review. Reviews can and do have critical commentary.

Here's an idea: if you don't like the review, ignore it. Since when did it become acceptable to disparage a dissenting opinion in a bona fide subjective editorial review? He said he preferred strawberry to chocolate and you lose your $h1+ over it.

Wow.

Haha have you seen what's going on in America these days? We have a generation of entitled snowflake retards coming into age.

[Maverik259]

Originally Posted by TheBlackKnight

^^^^ thats what Im wondering, if the price difference were the same as in the US would he change his tune?

I mean I think he admits to that several times when he specifically quotes the €75,000 difference and how he wished more exclusive items were used for that price difference.

[Dark-Knight]

Originally Posted by Maverik259

Haha have you seen what's going on in America these days? We have a generation of entitled snowflake retards coming into age.

absolutely! Retards everywhere, I dont know if they outnumber people who work or not, Im fearful normal people are doomed, I think some of the worst are the ones argue about what a great performance car a Tesla is. Theres noting like gasoline power!

Carbon Bucket seats, 4 of them, people gladly pay 4k of just 2 in a 911 GT3

I wish there were more bespoke items, Id like plastic/carbon front fenders, black or a deep metallic black paint option, a super loud exhaust mode, bigger rear wing, wing flaps on front, more weight savings, carbon fiber sway bars? A gigantic CS on the rear door and side like the big Hellcat cat face--well maybe just kidding about that one. but seriously what more could they have done within reason cost wise

[cheveux]

Originally Posted by TheBlackKnight

^^^^ thats what Im wondering, if the price difference were the same as in the US would he change his tune?

Yes probably. My main problem is that i cant materialize the price difference in that car. But its an incredible and beautiful car.
I love the alcantara wheel

In Portugal we are heaving a huge problem with the bmw lineup and prices. For example, an average new M4 (with some optionals) costs the same has an M5.... thats stupid

[FourPtDrift]

Originally Posted by Maverik259

Haha have you seen what's going on in America these days? We have a generation of entitled snowflake retards coming into age.

Sad, but very true. And too many of them find themselves in the driver's seat, I'm sorry to say, of M cars, with a falsely presumed receipt of driving talent just because they got access to the key and the driver's seat.

[Day Laborer]

Originally Posted by Bluehorseshoe

@daylaborer hit the nail in the head with this comment:

"Every review published out there states how massively improved the driving experience is on the M5CS vs M5C. I don't see how the reviewer can state" In terms of driving, nothing new, which is good. The M5 has always been an incredible beast"

I mean this is why I'm buying the car, and think this is the main reason most enthusiasts are buying the car.

My friends and I had a chance to drive the M5 competition and the M5CS back to back today.

I cannot begin to describe how significantly improved chassis and steering is on the M5CS.

The M5C LCI felt much more challenging in the following areas:
Rebound on road crest, steering (rubber band) elasticity, felt much more weight all around me (not limited to the from end like the F10 does), steering feedback, and weight transfer (from left to right) it didn't give me confidence that I was in control, felt like I was fighting it.

In the M5CS I can feel what the back end is doing, like I can tell where I am placing the rear half of the car on the road.

The M5 Competition is a great all around car, daily and sheer brutal power; but to actually appreciate the difference, you really have to drive them back to back.

Great job bmw.. just as I was losing faith in the brand, this car arrived just in time.

I haven't even pushed the car yet since I'm under break-in miles

[FourPtDrift]

Originally Posted by Day Laborer

My friends and I had a chance to drive the M5 competition and the M5CS back to back today.

I cannot begin to describe how significantly improved chassis and steering is on the M5CS.

The M5C LCI felt much more challenging in the following areas:
Rebound on road crest, steering (rubber band) elasticity, felt much more weight all around me (not limited to the from end like the F10 does), steering feedback, and weight transfer (from left to right) it didn't give me confidence that I was in control, felt like I was fighting it.

In the M5CS I can feel what the back end is doing, like I can tell where I am placing the rear half of the car on the road.

The M5 Competition is a great all around car, daily and sheer brutal power; but to actually appreciate the difference, you really have to drive the back to back.

Great job bmw.. just as I was losing faith in the brand, this car arrived just in time.

I haven't even pushed the car yet since I'm under break-in miles

Great write-up and input. To be certain, while I am thrilled with my M5C - and it certainly is an exceptionally unique one at that - I know the suspension work leaves a little bit left on the design table. It's still extremely good and doesn't have anywhere near the horrible deflection issues that my F82 had - but it seems like the balance of the cleanup is very attainable and is realized in the cs. Which causes me to think a visit to Steve Dinan and Carbahn will be just the cherry on top. As for the steering input, I find it inconceivable that there are any hardware differences - this has to be programatic - and is also something easily resolved.

Thank you again for the useful info - and enjoy your fantastic new car in the best of health.

-Daniel

[Demon Barber]

Originally Posted by Day Laborer

My friends and I had a chance to drive the M5 competition and the M5CS back to back today.

I cannot begin to describe how significantly improved chassis and steering is on the M5CS.

The M5C LCI felt much more challenging in the following areas:
Rebound on road crest, steering (rubber band) elasticity, felt much more weight all around me (not limited to the from end like the F10 does), steering feedback, and weight transfer (from left to right) it didn't give me confidence that I was in control, felt like I was fighting it.

In the M5CS I can feel what the back end is doing, like I can tell where I am placing the rear half of the car on the road.

The M5 Competition is a great all around car, daily and sheer brutal power; but to actually appreciate the difference, you really have to drive them back to back.

Great job bmw.. just as I was losing faith in the brand, this car arrived just in time.

I haven't even pushed the car yet since I'm under break-in miles

On what track did you get to drive these?

[Demon Barber]

Originally Posted by RS61

The thing is it's not a proper track car because proper track cars have steel brakes, not carbon ceramics. Three reasons I didn't get the CS - rear seats make it unusable for normal life so might as well get a two seater GT3, harman kardon stereo is terrible compared to B&W, but most importantly carbon ceramic discs last 2-3 track days and then need replacing, which is beyond any reasonable person's pockets.

If they wanted to make the ultimate road M5 they should have kept B&W as an option and a rear bench as an option. If they actually wanted it used on the track they should have made steel brakes an options, which with the official m performance pads are absolutely rock solid on track even for 30 minute non stop lapping sessions. And should have put cup 2s instead of corsas, especially as michelin is an official tyre partner.

Now if anyone knows how to get the CS suspension setup onto a comp, I'm all ears.

I agree that if you're tracking practically, steel rotors are the way to go, but it's hard to say a car isn't a proper track car because it has CCBs. It's why CCBs exist, if money is no object.

[tjlees]

Loving the fact that BMW has the balls to produce one of the best M cars out there ….

… but the M5C is the one for me.

I’m old and fat, and appreciate the massaging/vented seats …. after a day of 150miles on track.

I had the opportunity of using the M5C on track at LLandow in the barmy biblical weather in Wales (heavy rain/standing water in the am, and bone dry in the pm).

It is unbelievably good, with the feedback and feel coming into its own once you lean almost 2t onto those 275 fronts. I can’t imagine the M5 CS being much better.

Anyway, the M5 CS wouldn’t be able to tow my Ariel Atom supercharged Cup car, after it had pummelled my back with its rock hard carbon tillett seats in the pm …

[Greer]

Originally Posted by malrash

The CS makes sense especially if you don’t plan on using it as a daily. For a regular daily commuter, the regular M5 is probably more apt.

Yes, I agree here 100%.

[SFT33]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

I dont have a bmw anymore.


Im just simply saying, stop bitching about the seats. Dont like it, dont buy the car.

If you don’t have a BMW - go somewhere else.

[tjlees]

its worth doing a back to back spec comparison between m5c and m5 cs lci versions.

Apart from the carbonising, standard ceramics and option strip out to save the 70kg plus corsa tyres, the steering and suspension looks to be just 'recalibrated'.

with heavy m5c discounts and bmw divide finance, I'm sure some 'recalibration', strip out, carbon retrofit would achieve 95% of the same.

IMHO the corsa tyre swap in, steering reprogrammed and thin carbon seats would make the biggest difference to the handling. Its all in the ass according to Niki

of course if you have a fat ass, no amount of carbon inserts and carbon testicle holders is gonna help you feel anything down there.

[AHall]

Originally Posted by Day Laborer

My friends and I had a chance to drive the M5 competition and the M5CS back to back today.

I cannot begin to describe how significantly improved chassis and steering is on the M5CS.

The M5C LCI felt much more challenging in the following areas:
Rebound on road crest, steering (rubber band) elasticity, felt much more weight all around me (not limited to the from end like the F10 does), steering feedback, and weight transfer (from left to right) it didn't give me confidence that I was in control, felt like I was fighting it.

In the M5CS I can feel what the back end is doing, like I can tell where I am placing the rear half of the car on the road.

The M5 Competition is a great all around car, daily and sheer brutal power; but to actually appreciate the difference, you really have to drive them back to back.

Great job bmw.. just as I was losing faith in the brand, this car arrived just in time.

I haven't even pushed the car yet since I'm under break-in miles

Good information. Was the M5C you compared an LCI?

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by SFT33

If you don’t have a BMW - go somewhere else.

sure thing

[Day Laborer]

Originally Posted by Demon Barber

On what track did you get to drive these?

Never mentioned it was on a track. This was between friends on some windy back roads with decent corners and elevation changes

Originally Posted by tjlees

IMHO the corsa tyre swap in, steering reprogrammed and thin carbon seats would make the biggest difference to the handling.

The M5C LCI was on PS4S while my M5CS is on shitty PZeros, not Corsas.

Originally Posted by AHall

Good information. Was the M5C you compared an LCI?

Yes it was an LCI

[MNoob]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

I dont have a bmw anymore.


Im just simply saying, stop bitching about the seats. Dont like it, dont buy the car.

You are the resident bitter apple. Eeyore but without the endearing part.

[Demon Barber]

Originally Posted by Day Laborer

Never mentioned it was on a track. This was between friends on some windy back roads with decent corners and elevation changes



The M5C LCI was on PS4S while my M5CS is on shitty PZeros, not Corsas.


Yes it was an LCI

Just surprised you can get all of that handling comparison information on public roads.

[subterFUSE]

All of the M cars at the Spartanburg PC had CCB on them. Do they really only last 2-3 days on the track? 😳

[Demon Barber]

Originally Posted by subterFUSE

All of the M cars at the Spartanburg PC had CCB on them. Do they really only last 2-3 days on the track? 😳

I asked one of the instructors about this back in 2018, to which he replied that they last at least twice as long as steel. FWIW.