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      05-03-2018, 01:49 AM   #67
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Wheels look too 'empty' with these slim and widely set apart spokes, should have been 10 double/Y spokes like on other Competition models.
I agree. The best wheels available are the base 19 wheels. Everything else looks bad IMO.
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I agree. The best wheels available are the base 19 wheels. Everything else looks bad IMO.
And I feel the exact opposite Love these Comp wheels and the 20":s, hate the base 19" ones. Guess it goes down mostly to if you prefer multispokes or not.
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      05-03-2018, 07:34 AM   #72
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Too bad. Weight reduction is so important with this car. Ceramic brakes and Titanium exhaust are two of the top items needed in any competition version. Oh well, I guess I don't have to wait for this release.
If CCB and full Ti exhaust is included this package it will cost 25k+ in the US, and even more expensive for ROW. I have always said there is no way CCBs will be part of the package, it would make the package too costly.
Likely reserved for M5 CS..

BMW is moving to a potential 4 tier M car line.

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      05-03-2018, 08:09 AM   #73
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Too bad. Weight reduction is so important with this car. Ceramic brakes and Titanium exhaust are two of the top items needed in any competition version. Oh well, I guess I don't have to wait for this release.
How much would this actually save? 5-10 lbs? Just take your shoes off while driving, same weight savings.
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      05-03-2018, 08:17 AM   #74
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How much would this actually save? 5-10 lbs? Just take your shoes off while driving, same weight savings.
Combined, roughly 76lbs total weight reduction.
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      05-03-2018, 08:33 AM   #75
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BMW has taken down the website with M5 Competition Pack.

See attached screen shot of website for those who have not seen

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Too bad. Weight reduction is so important with this car. Ceramic brakes and Titanium exhaust are two of the top items needed in any competition version. Oh well, I guess I don't have to wait for this release.
How much would this actually save? 5-10 lbs? Just take your shoes off while driving, same weight savings.
the muffler saving couple kg isnt a big deal main benfit is sound but the ceramic brakes are quite beneficial. probably does nothinf to stopping distance but def keeps cooler and doesnt fade through with repeated abuse. also its savinf you alot of unsprung mass. if someone has the money and wants those things lemme em have it. imo it is sorta useless for a car that big and heavy that will see 99.8% of its time on the street.
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The M4/M3 CS doesn't even have CCB's standard nor a titanium exhaust. And people are expecting it to be on a Competition Pack. Laughable. These are expensive options. Just from the materials to create them. For ~10k usd you are basically wishing for these parts to be free.

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Likely reserved for M5 CS..

BMW is moving to a potential 4 tier M car line.

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CSL ( 2 seat track machine for certain models )
I don't know, personally I don't see a M5 CS coming. CS and GTS on the M3/M4 I can see because they are lighter and smaller cars and some will use it on track, but M5 is a business saloon so what else can you do on top of a competition package that will make it unique? A big wing like the GTS?

But I guess you never know with BMW these days, after all, Jag did put a big rear wing on their 4 door sport saloon and claimed a ring record for a sedan.
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I agree. The best wheels available are the base 19 wheels. Everything else looks bad IMO.
I agree 100%. Only wish that 19" is available as an option here in Canada. Probably rides better with the 19" as well.
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2. AT THIS POINT WE ALL KNOW THE COMP PACKAGE IS COMING AND PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY WHAT IT WILL HAVE (because other than stupid trim pieces it's always the same). What the hell is the reason to wait one single model year to put it out other than screwing loyal customers who aren't as in tune with the brand!?!? It's time to do like MB and release the comp package along side the "normal M" (since we have to pay extra for the comp package for what used to be a normal M) and let's preferable not wait until damn near LCI time to do it!
If someone is a loyal BMW customer or a BMW fan, wouldn't that individual be aware of the Competition Package, likely content and release time frame?

I wouldn't spec the Competition Package just like I would avoid the Carbon Ceramic Brake like a plague, but that's just me. What BMW is doing is offering a slightly different flavor of the M5 at a price that most people wouldn't pay for. Not to mention the possible sacrifice in passenger comfort.

Are you equally frustrated when Porsche releases the GT3 RS some months after the GT3?
Absolutely not. And the reason being that the typical NEW BMW M5 driver is a 50+ year old male business owner or Cxx who wants to get a taste of his weekend 911 to spice up his mundane commute to his 15 hour work day. He also has a wife and three kids at home and would laugh at the idea of having time to post on an online car forum. He might make it out to C&C once a year, but that's all the time he has for his love of cars now that he's no longer able to stay in tune with the brand like he could in his 20s and early 30s.

Bimmerpost land is a dream world that only exists online. Every person that has posted on this forum in the past month could quit buying BMWs and it wouldn't even register on the monthly sales report. However Mr Brand New M5 above accounts for a very large percentage of new bmw purchases because his wife leases a new X5 every 3 years (hope she doesn't get pissed off by the short life cycle of the current model all in the name of cost reduction), and he will also buy a used CPO 3 series or x3 (and purchase the maintenance plan) for each of his three kids so they can continue to live a shrivel of luxury when they go off to college. If they like their BMW experience they will do the same when they grow up.

Bottom line your typical new BMW m5 owner is not on this forum!

With regards to Porsche there are many flaws in that argument (not to mention allocation issues) the main being that if I purchase a GT3 I get a GT3 same as I did ten years ago. The same can not be said for buying a first model year M5. But there is no point in comparing a low production focused sports car to an "we will make as many as ordered" family sedan designed to cure Mr Money Bags midlife crisis during the work week. You're comparing an options package that cost sub 10% of the new purchase price to a limited production car that depending on time of purchase could easily cost 2x the GT3!
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But I guess you never know with BMW these days, after all, Jag did put a big rear wing on their 4 door sport saloon and claimed a ring record for a sedan.
That was the XE though, which is their equivalent of the 3 series.
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I disagree, most people who ACTUALLY track their cars DON'T want CCB's... (I ran them for two years on my track car and have since replaced them with an Apex/Essex brake kit).

Don't get me wrong, the brakes work great but are VERY expensive to use on the track. They also wear pretty quickly with heavy track use. Spending $14K every 15-20 track days is a pretty stiff commitment. (Ask me how I know...)

Better to get 95% the performance for a third the price...

Ironically, however, CCB's make great street brakes. No dust and they last forever on the street. I would always put CCB's on my street cars if available...
Was wondering if you could share about how many miles do you get with CCBs from street use? What should one expect? Little google research I've done showed a few articles quoting upwards of 95,000 miles in life.

Good stuff..thanks!
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CCB at BMW Performance Center West

Here's some information from the chief mechanic at the BMW Performance Center West about their CCB maintenance on the M3/4,

They said they have to replace pads every 2,500 miles and rotors every 7,500.

I've driven those cars and can tell you every single mile driven is multiple threshold braking.

Hope this information helps.
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Absolutely not. And the reason being that the typical NEW BMW M5 driver is a 50+ year old male business owner or Cxx who wants to get a taste of his weekend 911 to spice up his mundane commute to his 15 hour work day. He also has a wife and three kids at home and would laugh at the idea of having time to post on an online car forum. He might make it out to C&C once a year, but that's all the time he has for his love of cars now that he's no longer able to stay in tune with the brand like he could in his 20s and early 30s.

Bimmerpost land is a dream world that only exists online. Every person that has posted on this forum in the past month could quit buying BMWs and it wouldn't even register on the monthly sales report. However Mr Brand New M5 above accounts for a very large percentage of new bmw purchases because his wife leases a new X5 every 3 years (hope she doesn't get pissed off by the short life cycle of the current model all in the name of cost reduction), and he will also buy a used CPO 3 series or x3 (and purchase the maintenance plan) for each of his three kids so they can continue to live a shrivel of luxury when they go off to college. If they like their BMW experience they will do the same when they grow up.

Bottom line your typical new BMW m5 owner is not on this forum!

With regards to Porsche there are many flaws in that argument (not to mention allocation issues) the main being that if I purchase a GT3 I get a GT3 same as I did ten years ago. The same can not be said for buying a first model year M5. But there is no point in comparing a low production focused sports car to an "we will make as many as ordered" family sedan designed to cure Mr Money Bags midlife crisis during the work week. You're comparing an options package that cost sub 10% of the new purchase price to a limited production car that depending on time of purchase could easily cost 2x the GT3!


How is "Mr. Money Bags" whom is not an enthusiast and mainly uses his M5 to commute to work being "royally screwed" by BMW for not being able to get the competition package? He will never make use of the marginal improvement in power and handling. If anything BMW did him a favor by guiding him towards a slightly more comfortable M5 that still out runs a GT-R on his way to work.

Clearly you have an axe to grind and somehow I opened up a whole can of worms. Perhaps this thread is not the place to get into all that. You might want to find a good outlet for whatever that's bottled inside you though. Good luck.
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Anyone else note that in the post above the Newton meters torque figure appears to have been reduced from 800 to 750? Based on what we were told earlier in this thread? I e no increase in torque for the competition package?
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