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      09-09-2021, 12:43 AM   #23
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These two are amongst the best cars in the world right now.

Of course the 911 Turbo was gonna win, it's an actual sports car and most 0-60 focused of all 911 variants. But it's amazing how well the M5 CS kept up. It would have been even closer vs. the GT3.
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These drag races are silly. Speed limit on US Freeways range between 65 mph - 85 mph. My 2020 330i turbo-4 cylinder does it 0-60 in 5.4 seconds. So what is the point?

The M5 is a great car, no question. But is still a 5-Series on STEROIDS. Yes, I get it, engine, transmission, brakes, power, etc. are different from a regular 5-Series. But still, it is a 5-Series on Steroids if you want to be honest with your self.

The Porsche 911 is in a league of its own. Its suspension/chassis + handling is unlike any other car in its segment. Add in its weight and that rear engine configuration and no one comes close. The 911 drive is completely different from any other car in the segment, period.

Who cares if another car wins a silly drag race by 0. something seconds?
In the case of the M5 CS, it is far more than just a 5-series on steroids. Even the basic M5 is still a far superior car from the 5-series. The M division has their hands all over these cars.

But yes I agree on the premise of drag races being mostly pointless. In the real world on public roads it is irrelevant. What matters is how a car actually feels to drive: how it delivers power, how it sounds, how lively/communicative the chassis and steering are, how nimble it feels, etc. This drag race BS is just a d*ck measuring contest for online fanboys.
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LOL 911 every time.

Worth mentioning, this is Ontario. In Ontario cops enjoy impounding your car, making up speed and generally the limit is 80km/h on big straight roads, anything w curve of a degree gets a reduction in speed and 100km/h on the 401 which usually moves at 60km/h.

So unless you are driving on Mosport, this is not really going to be enjoyable daily.

I can see the point of those two cars in EU and UK, roads w turns and cops that are kind and nice. .
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In the case of the M5 CS, it is far more than just a 5-series on steroids. Even the basic M5 is still a far superior car from the 5-series. The M division has their hands all over these cars.

But yes I agree on the premise of drag races being mostly pointless. In the real world on public roads it is irrelevant. What matters is how a car actually feels to drive: how it delivers power, how it sounds, how lively/communicative the chassis and steering are, how nimble it feels, etc. This drag race BS is just a d*ck measuring contest for online fanboys.



interesting comments from someone who drives an Alfa.....


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Two very different cars, but amazing to see a 4 door sedan hold its own. The 911 Turbo is a beast in a straight line, but I would argue the driving experience is relatively bland (I had a 997 Turbo S, amazing car but definitely focused on the balance between speed and comfort), making the m5cs a more enjoyable car. I've got a 997 GT2 and the difference between that and the Turbo or Turbo S is night and day. I bet the m5cs smokes my GT2 in a straight line, but on a track…very different story. These comparisons are awesome to watch. Kudos to BMW for building a sedan that appeals to a select few enthusiasts. I've got mine on order!
Have you driven a 992 turbo? Porsche injected a lot of GTness in this latest gen turbo and has significantly upped the driving feel and engagement vs the prior gens.

That M5cs sure is impressive though
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These two are amongst the best cars in the world right now.

Of course the 911 Turbo was gonna win, it's an actual sports car and most 0-60 focused of all 911 variants. But it's amazing how well the M5 CS kept up. It would have been even closer vs. the GT3.
It is not. There is a Turbo S above it still.
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These drag races are silly. Speed limit on US Freeways range between 65 mph - 85 mph. My 2020 330i turbo-4 cylinder does it 0-60 in 5.4 seconds. So what is the point?

The M5 is a great car, no question. But is still a 5-Series on STEROIDS. Yes, I get it, engine, transmission, brakes, power, etc. are different from a regular 5-Series. But still, it is a 5-Series on Steroids if you want to be honest with your self.

The Porsche 911 is in a league of its own. Its suspension/chassis + handling is unlike any other car in its segment. Add in its weight and that rear engine configuration and no one comes close. The 911 drive is completely different from any other car in the segment, period.

Who cares if another car wins a silly drag race by 0. something seconds?
$$. These glorified "off books" marketing departments aka social media influencers need to put food on the table like everyone else.
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These drag races are silly. Speed limit on US Freeways range between 65 mph - 85 mph. My 2020 330i turbo-4 cylinder does it 0-60 in 5.4 seconds. So what is the point?

The M5 is a great car, no question. But is still a 5-Series on STEROIDS. Yes, I get it, engine, transmission, brakes, power, etc. are different from a regular 5-Series. But still, it is a 5-Series on Steroids if you want to be honest with your self.

The Porsche 911 is in a league of its own. Its suspension/chassis + handling is unlike any other car in its segment. Add in its weight and that rear engine configuration and no one comes close. The 911 drive is completely different from any other car in the segment, period.

Who cares if another car wins a silly drag race by 0. something seconds?
Maybe you've got no idea how much technical differences there are between M cars vs normal series... Even more so with the CS version. You can watch the G80/82 introduction videos that go over each aspect that was revised for M cars https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1791268 .

I think the M5 CS is way more special compared to a 5 series than a 911 Turbo S vs standard carrera. M5 and 911 are not in the same segment anyway, one is a purpose built sports coupe and the other a modified 4 doors saloon that can seat 4 adults and lots of luggage... And the M5 CS certainly doesn't embarrass itself on the track either.
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$$. These glorified "off books" marketing departments aka social media influencers need to put food on the table like everyone else.
I would put Throttle House in the motoring journalist category over marketing influencers. They aren't shy of calling a bad thing bad. It's just the logical transition from magazines to video.
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Two very different cars, but amazing to see a 4 door sedan hold its own. The 911 Turbo is a beast in a straight line, but I would argue the driving experience is relatively bland (I had a 997 Turbo S, amazing car but definitely focused on the balance between speed and comfort), making the m5cs a more enjoyable car. I've got a 997 GT2 and the difference between that and the Turbo or Turbo S is night and day. I bet the m5cs smokes my GT2 in a straight line, but on a track…very different story. These comparisons are awesome to watch. Kudos to BMW for building a sedan that appeals to a select few enthusiasts. I've got mine on order!
Have you driven a 992 turbo? Porsche injected a lot of GTness in this latest gen turbo and has significantly upped the driving feel and engagement vs the prior gens.

That M5cs sure is impressive though
I have not…have driven a 991 but I agree with your comment. The 992 chassis is much improved over the 991 and definitely the 997…proven by both drag and track times. The 992 is an amazing car…I really want to test drive a 992 GT3 to compare it to my 997 GT2.
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Having a sedan be seriously compared to one of the fastest sports cars in production is an honor by itself

Great job bmw!

*not to mentioned tuned m5's rip apart those porsches but that's not fair tuned to stock

Solid performance and it held it ground!
I liked your comment until you compared tuned to stock. Then I un-liked it. Thought you should know haha.

M5CS is great for novelty with the back seats and wicked speeds. I sold my M6GC CP bc the only time it was really fun was when I was going way over the speed limit and climbing fast. That was impressive.

The Turbo (I drove a 991 at PECLA) is a lot of fun on track, and likely more fun bc of size advantage. Probably also relatively boring day to day if following local speed limit laws.

If you want a race car that seats 4 (more comfortably) but don't really ever want to go to the track, the M5CS would be awesome. If you want a car that can haul the kids to school but also absolutely rip on track, the 992Turbo is the better option.

Or… if you like one more than the other, get that 96% of car selection is preference.
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Idk why competing with 911.
Different leagues, Different cars.
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Having a sedan be seriously compared to one of the fastest sports cars in production is an honor by itself

Great job bmw!

*not to mentioned tuned m5's rip apart those porsches but that's not fair tuned to stock

Solid performance and it held it ground!
I liked your comment until you compared tuned to stock. Then I un-liked it. Thought you should know haha.

M5CS is great for novelty with the back seats and wicked speeds. I sold my M6GC CP bc the only time it was really fun was when I was going way over the speed limit and climbing fast. That was impressive.

The Turbo (I drove a 991 at PECLA) is a lot of fun on track, and likely more fun bc of size advantage. Probably also relatively boring day to day if following local speed limit laws.

If you want a race car that seats 4 (more comfortably) but don't really ever want to go to the track, the M5CS would be awesome. If you want a car that can haul the kids to school but also absolutely rip on track, the 992Turbo is the better option.

Or… if you like one more than the other, get that 96% of car selection is preference.
Hahaha I'm ok with that! I did add a note to say it's not fair to compare tuned to stock.

Track day is different then every day driving.

Since most people never track m5's it can really only be compared in drag type races.

Porsche is an amazing machine, in every category no matter how you slice it
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I don’t get the comparison at all, like people said one is a 4 door family sedan and the other is a rear mounted engine sports car. Totally different car classes and driving experiences. The M5cs, M5c is better than any Panamera or Porsche 4 door equivalent. I don’t count the taycan as EV is a different comparison. For rear engine sports cars the 911 is the gold standard, but obviously that is not practical for everyone. 992 turbo s are going for what, 250k+ in this market? At that price point if I didn’t want practicality I would just go for an exotic.
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the "point" of the video was for shits and giggles. Obviously everyone is pretty impressed with the CS at this point (except for all the bitching about the seats) so they figured they'd push the envelope by putting it up against something thats a bit more out of it's class. Thats it. Stop overthinking it.
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Having a sedan be seriously compared to one of the fastest sports cars in production is an honor by itself

Great job bmw!

*not to mentioned tuned m5's rip apart those porsches but that's not fair tuned to stock

Solid performance and it held it ground!
I liked your comment until you compared tuned to stock. Then I un-liked it. Thought you should know haha.

M5CS is great for novelty with the back seats and wicked speeds. I sold my M6GC CP bc the only time it was really fun was when I was going way over the speed limit and climbing fast. That was impressive.

The Turbo (I drove a 991 at PECLA) is a lot of fun on track, and likely more fun bc of size advantage. Probably also relatively boring day to day if following local speed limit laws.

If you want a race car that seats 4 (more comfortably) but don't really ever want to go to the track, the M5CS would be awesome. If you want a car that can haul the kids to school but also absolutely rip on track, the 992Turbo is the better option.

Or… if you like one more than the other, get that 96% of car selection is preference.
What size kids are you taking to school in a 911? I find the 911 worthless if more than two people are being transported. I think it is a good option for someone wanting a sports car and has other modes of transportation for when more people need to roll out. The car is tiny and is too low to the ground.
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These drag races are silly. Speed limit on US Freeways range between 65 mph - 85 mph. My 2020 330i turbo-4 cylinder does it 0-60 in 5.4 seconds. So what is the point?

The M5 is a great car, no question. But is still a 5-Series on STEROIDS. Yes, I get it, engine, transmission, brakes, power, etc. are different from a regular 5-Series. But still, it is a 5-Series on Steroids if you want to be honest with your self.

The Porsche 911 is in a league of its own. Its suspension/chassis + handling is unlike any other car in its segment. Add in its weight and that rear engine configuration and no one comes close. The 911 drive is completely different from any other car in the segment, period.

Who cares if another car wins a silly drag race by 0. something seconds?
Fair point about M5 CS; it's 5 Series on steroids. Well, what is 911TS then? Carrera on steroids, right.
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