[josec70]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

yea, and when a bill comes due for new f90 motor over 35k, you can bet your ass the dealer is calling to verify before they order one under warranty. I'm waiting to see who will blow one first

Actually probably closer to 60k fwiw

[josec70]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

that is completely false. Any ecu tune is readable if looked into deep enough. In case of catastrohpic failure BMW is calling in a regional rep who wont be afraid to flag a car. It's not like paying your SA/Tech a couple bucks and you get a new motor. That is NOT how that works.

^^this^^ there's nothing that is undetectable ...

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by josec70

Actually probably closer to 60k fwiw

yea probably right factoring in labor costs, which i didn't. I couldn't imagine having to pay that bill on a lease, and giving it back to BMW.

[JK-M5]

Depends how bad it goes, if you bend a rod your looking at about 9k to rebuild,

if you throw a piston through the block like i did on my F10 last year that was 37k to put a new engine in fitted as well so guys if your thinking of tuning these cars to that level of power and its a lease Motor you have to be prepared for eventualities.

safe bet is Racechip. IMO.

Guys have run those for 50k on the F10 platform, no issues! AND THEY PROBABLY OFFER AROUND 680hp once fitted not bad really for the cost

lots of these cars destroying blocks are over the 700hp mark so stay under if its your daily or you have deep pockets to stage 2+

Remember the gear box has also changed now and nobody has seen a damaged box so thats another topic for the forum!

#Muddywaters

[josec70]

Originally Posted by Mboy

Depends how bad it goes, if you bend a rod your looking at about 9k to rebuild,

if you throw a piston through the block like i did on my F10 last year that was 37k to put a new engine in fitted as well so guys if your thinking of tuning these cars to that level of power and its a lease Motor you have to be prepared for eventualities.

safe bet is Racechip. IMO.

Guys have run those for 50k on the F10 platform, no issues! AND THEY PROBABLY OFFER AROUND 680hp once fitted not bad really for the cost

lots of these cars destroying blocks are over the 700hp mark so stay under if its your daily or you have deep pockets to stage 2+

Remember the gear box has also changed now and nobody has seen a damaged box so thats another topic for the forum!

#Muddywaters

2 F10 M5's + 2 piggies = no problems.

F90 M5C - undecided but piggy probable at some point.

[pjdizzle94]

I'm going to be running evolve stage 2 in the next week or so

[bm3tuning]

Will never run another piggyback in any M car.

Bootmod3 will be the one as their OTS maps are far superior to other tunes I've seen as well as any piggyback including overpriced Dinan.

Enjoy the car and stock power first so many issues with cars getting tuned without proper break in as well. I'll be patient on tuning as car is very new still. Piggy or Flash leave traces most ppl are not aware of in this new ecu.

[windtendo]

Originally Posted by bootmod3nyc

Will never run another piggyback in any M car.

Bootmod3 will be the one as their OTS maps are far superior to other tunes I've seen as well as any piggyback including overpriced Dinan.

Enjoy the car and stock power first so many issues with cars getting tuned without proper break in as well. I'll be patient on tuning as car is very new still. Piggy or Flash leave traces most ppl are not aware of in this new ecu.

Based on your username, I’m sure there’s zero bias in your comments and opinions.

[boredM]

Haha
My thoughts exactly

[FSociety]

He's right though, a proper flash tune can and always is better overall.

Especially because Bootmod3 is not new to the game, they already support all engines across the F series. Although, OTS are known as off the shelf there's something unique in their strategy, for ex. Have a friend with over 55k miles on his 2017 M3 Comp Pkg running BM3 E30 ots (tuned since 5k).

Anyways time will tell, Bm3 is the leader in the Fxx series platform and Gxx will only benefit from all the features and goodies the platform offers without extra cost. Tell me which other tuning platform allows you to flash different maps from iPhone / Android / Macbook or Windows laptop lol.....

Resale value? (transfer it to your next car or sell it if you want to leave the brand)
Diagnostic Tool built in, Real Datalogger with knock detector (unlike jb4) etc

Just an amazing platform with solid OTS maps and best custom tuners in my opinion as the 1/4 mile, 1/2, 0-60, 100-200, 60-130 records all belong to a car or tuner part of BM3 platform.

no thanks to blind tunes

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by bootmod3nyc

<snipped> I'll be patient on tuning as car is very new still. Piggy or Flash leave traces most ppl are not aware of in this new ecu.

The traces you speak of are there--even I can see them. However, I don't see how anyone could quantify them as any more than pure inference. Any ECU update, and I mean any, can be detected and provably so (assuming BMW chose to do so in this design).

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by FSociety

He's right though, a proper flash tune can and always is better overall.

Especially because Bootmod3 is not new to the game, they already support all engines across the F series. Although, OTS are known as off the shelf there's something unique in their strategy, for ex. Have a friend with over 55k miles on his 2017 M3 Comp Pkg running BM3 E30 ots (tuned since 5k).

Anyways time will tell, Bm3 is the leader in the Fxx series platform and Gxx will only benefit from all the features and goodies the platform offers without extra cost. Tell me which other tuning platform allows you to flash different maps from iPhone / Android / Macbook or Windows laptop lol.....

Resale value? (transfer it to your next car or sell it if you want to leave the brand)
Diagnostic Tool built in, Real Datalogger with knock detector (unlike jb4) etc

Just an amazing platform with solid OTS maps and best custom tuners in my opinion as the 1/4 mile, 1/2, 0-60, 100-200, 60-130 records all belong to a car or tuner part of BM3 platform.

no thanks to blind tunes

this isn't a thread to promote bootmod.

Nobody is debating whether bootmod is bad or not, the question is what is/isn't detectable by BMW. The answer is everything is. End of story.

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by bootmod3nyc

Will never run another piggyback in any M car.

Bootmod3 will be the one as their OTS maps are far superior to other tunes I've seen as well as any piggyback including overpriced Dinan.

Enjoy the car and stock power first so many issues with cars getting tuned without proper break in as well. I'll be patient on tuning as car is very new still. Piggy or Flash leave traces most ppl are not aware of in this new ecu.

Why? i personally know 8-12 people with s63tu's. All of them who flashed, blew up. Guess who didn't? The 3 piggies.

Coincidence? I think not.


carry on...

[josec70]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

Why? i personally know 8-12 people with s63tu's. All of them who flashed, blew up. Guess who didn't? The 3 piggies.

Coincidence? I think not.


carry on...

Nuts how many people in the BBC Group blew engines .... as well as some other dudes not in the group.

Piggy .. no problem.

[Jaymelo238]

Originally Posted by josec70

Nuts how many people in the BBC Group blew engines .... as well as some other dudes not in the group.

Piggy .. no problem.

Hey guys I talked to Mike from DME tuning and his stage one is 720 hp. His stage 2 is 740 and he said both can run on stock cars. His stage 3 for 800 requires turbos. He told me "we are not in the business to blow engines". I think it's a little expensive but a reliable tune. He said their tune is very much like a stock car on how it pulls and on the dynos/charts.

[JK-M5]

soon as you flash these ECU's the car throws an DME manipulation code, can't be taken out.

soon as the car goes to the Dealer its red flagged, don't ask how i know all this, iv'e been down this road before with the main dealer for warranty work let me say i was 1 of the fortunate ones, but i know a few that where not!.

If someone can show us a revised set of rods and pistons in the new F90 engine over the F10 then i'd believe in tuning the F90 platform but until then stocks the only way for zero hassle.

[Jaymelo238]

Originally Posted by Mboy

soon as you flash these ECU's the car throws an DME manipulation code, can't be taken out.

soon as the car goes to the Dealer its red flagged, don't ask how i know all this, iv'e been down this road before with the main dealer for warranty work let me say i was 1 of the fortunate ones, but i know a few that where not!.

If someone can show us a revised set of rods and pistons in the new F90 engine over the F10 then i'd believe in tuning the F90 platform but until then stocks the only way for zero hassle.

Originally Posted by Mboy

soon as you flash these ECU's the car throws an DME manipulation code, can't be taken out.

soon as the car goes to the Dealer its red flagged, don't ask how i know all this, iv'e been down this road before with the main dealer for warranty work let me say i was 1 of the fortunate ones, but i know a few that where not!.

If someone can show us a revised set of rods and pistons in the new F90 engine over the F10 then i'd believe in tuning the F90 platform but until then stocks the only way for zero hassle.

Yeah so a bms stage 1 is the safest way to go? I mean I don't care about warranty as long as the tune is set to safe parameters which wouldn't cause the engine to blow or bent rods. Also even with the flash tune they wouldn't flag the car for routine maintenance that is covered under warranty. Only if a problem occurs with the engine then they could deny the warranty.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by Jaymelo238

Yeah so a bms stage 1 is the safest way to go? I mean I don't care about warranty as long as the tune is set to safe parameters which wouldn't cause the engine to blow or bent rods. Also even with the flash tune they wouldn't flag the car for routine maintenance that is covered under warranty. Only if a problem occurs with the engine then they could deny the warranty.

Yes, that's true. But it's not difficult to imagine them arguing warranty claims on downstream components such as the entire remaining drivetrain.

[r33_RGSport]

Originally Posted by Jaymelo238

Yeah so a bms stage 1 is the safest way to go? I mean I don't care about warranty as long as the tune is set to safe parameters which wouldn't cause the engine to blow or bent rods. Also even with the flash tune they wouldn't flag the car for routine maintenance that is covered under warranty. Only if a problem occurs with the engine then they could deny the warranty.

If you don't care about warranty, I would say, play on.
Go all out.

I would go that route if I am going full on to the car and dedicated hauling ass on the track.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by r33_RGSport

If you don't care about warranty, I would say, play on.
Go all out.

I would go that route if I am going full on to the car and deficated hauling ass on the track.

Agreed. And I also agree that reputable ECU tunes can ultimately tap into more of the engine's/tranmission's/drivetrain's potential than a piggyback --> risk vs. reward. That said, the piggybacks are doing an amazing job but I'd still bet on a properly researched ECU tune if 'absolute extremes' are your goal.

Originally Posted by r33_RGSport

I... car and deficated hauling ass on the track.

Errr, since you were talking about 'ass', I'm unclear if you meant 'dedicated' or 'defecated' … I'm gonna go with the latter because it's WAYYYYYYYY funnier.

[r33_RGSport]

Originally Posted by limeypride

Agreed. And I also agree that reputable ECU tunes can ultimately tap into more of the engine's/tranmission's/drivetrain's potential than a piggyback --> risk vs. reward. That said, the piggybacks are doing an amazing job but I'd still bet on a properly researched ECU tune if 'absolute extremes' are your goal.

Errr, since you were talking about 'ass', I'm unclear if you meant 'dedicated' or 'defecated' … I'm gonna go with the latter because it's WAYYYYYYYY funnier.

Whichever please you.

Steve Jobs probably laughing on his text prediction program.

[Bimmma]

The flash vs piggy debate will always be around, hell there were numerous threads on the F10 platforms well. The fact is proponents of either side will have their views of one over the other. If you want to play and have some fun just be prepared to pay should in case something happens, no matter which method one chooses. I personally would wait to see how these motors handle any kind of tuning or piggy as the engines gain more mileage. Hopefully, these new motors do not have the same weak links as the F10 platform such as injectors, coils and plugs but only time will really tell.