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      04-24-2019, 05:00 PM   #45
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Man the Merc is ugly. Looks like someone put a turtle on a skateboard and stuck a rocket up its ass.
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Man the Merc is ugly. Looks like someone put a turtle on a skateboard and stuck a rocket up its ass.
I can’t get past the two ice bucket size air intakes in the front.


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Man the Merc is ugly. Looks like someone put a turtle on a skateboard and stuck a rocket up its ass.
I can't get past the two ice bucket size air intakes in the front.


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For my taste, I do not find the GT63 attractive. The front has nice lines, but the side view just looks bulbous to me. I do think the interior is attractive.
The GT63S reminds me of when the Porsche Panamera came out. It drove well, was comfortable, but aesthetically it just felt off. I just could not appreciate the side profile enough to want the car. Same case with the AMG.
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For my taste, I do not find the GT63 attractive. The front has nice lines, but the side view just looks bulbous to me. I do think the interior is attractive.
The GT63S reminds me of when the Porsche Panamera came out. It drove well, was comfortable, but aesthetically it just felt off. I just could not appreciate the side profile enough to want the car. Same case with the AMG.
Yeah, I definitely get that... more so with the Panamera

For me, though, it's got enough to make it livable on the outside and then there's the interior :hardon: <-- oh, I guess that last :emoji: didn't work.
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The M5 Rules.

The F90 M5 restores the faith in its nameplate and the legacy that was challenged when the F10 was launched.

The question now is will the new M8 GC (or Coupe for that matter) take the M platform to a new level or be just another inflation in price chasing a more extravagant look and market?

I was disappointed when I thought I was going for an upgrade from M5 to M6 GC and baring the amazing looks the car didn’t perform any better.
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Man the Merc is ugly. Looks like someone put a turtle on a skateboard and stuck a rocket up its ass.
That is some imagination but it works! I can see it!
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I was able to sit in the Merc at press day at the NY auto show - the interior is beautifully done, really a step above BMW.

But, the next day I did UDE, and sat in the static display of the M5. I wasn't disappointed at all, and the Merc's interior isn't 50k better by any means.

It's always been this way, and I'd rather own the more focused drivers car.
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M5 might perform slightly better but looks just like another 4cyl 530i.
The GT 63 will look like a CLS 450 to the average consumer. Who cares?
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M5 might perform slightly better but looks just like another 4cyl 530i.
The GT 63 will look like a CLS 450 to the average consumer. Who cares?
And CLS looks gorgeous to many eyes. 5 series looks like a brick luxury sedan to many. You ever heard the term "flying brick" before?
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And CLS looks gorgeous to many eyes. 5 series looks like a brick luxury sedan to many. You ever heard the term "flying brick" before?
And have you heard of the word - “subjective” before.

You should have by now.
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And CLS looks gorgeous to many eyes. 5 series looks like a brick luxury sedan to many. You ever heard the term "flying brick" before?
The M5 never said it was anything other than Executive Express with Super Car Punch. It design (understated) and Performance (Supercar Chasing) delivered exactly as was promised.

The GT63 on the other hand promised much more and asked a large sum of money for it and too me that is failure on its part.

My sincere hope is that the M8 GC doesn’t make put looks ahead of substance.
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Hi Vic, Long time no see man.
I was reading your comment and wanted to add if I was looking for a $ 3500 monthly payment, I would buy a 570 McLaren and pay it off in 6 years. At least I would drive a super car
Good to see you too.

570 is a nice car but its not reliable from many of my friends accounts. Your 6 year ownership could result in many visits to the dealership for operating issues. If I ever got one, it would be a low mile used one (they depreciate heavily) with a decent chunk of the 3 year OEM warranty remaining.
I think you missed his point. There are many super cars in the 570S price point so take your pick. I agree with him though. After tax and fees you're looking at over 200k for that Mercedes.
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It's important to know the difference between objective and subjective criteria.
Objective criteria can be measured; like how quick and fast a car is. It cannot be debated.
Subjective criteria is someones opinion - it can be very much debated.

Your entire comment is subjective. For example - my cars aren't about "who got more money". That is your personality and what you care about.

The GT63 is a nice car - just as the E63S is a nice car. They weren't for me (subjective). Performance is important for me (subjective). And the F90 M5 is the quicker, better handling and faster platform (objective). So for me - it is more fun to drive (subjective).
that is exactly what I'm saying. Mercedes is looking to earn business from subjective point. We all know they know how to build a performance car... F1.. but they purposely got into this market with the GT63. Not everything in life is objective. it's the balance between everything that makes us. I've never said M5 is worse performer. I'm just saying there is an appeal for a certain group for this car including me.

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I have reached a financial security point in my life that I could care less how much money other people think I have. I don't hide it but I surely wouldn't buy a vehicle as a financial yardstick. We buy cars for our enjoyment and what our needs are. I am use to getting worked over by Porsche with owning 911's for 3 decades now. My local MB dealer has a nicely optioned polar white GT63 and after looking it over, my value meter says it's a $120k car at best. It stickers at $163k. I know the sales manager very well and I just looked at him and asked who is this car targeted to at this price point? He just shrugged his shoulders and said "I know".
I know you aren't buying cars that you feel over priced for the performance given because of the fact that we are in performance car forum such as this. I'm talking about majority of people. The GT63 is not targeted to us. It's targeted towards Aston Marin, Maserati, Range Rover buyers yet offering that solid German technology. I see a big appeal in this and so does MB.

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Do you really think that there's almost no difference in looks of a 530i and an M5?
No. I can name cars in the pitch dark by looking at their headlights or taillights. I'm talking from a non-enthusiast's eyes like many of my colleagues. They can't tell the difference between 530 and M5. but GT63 is distinctly low, wide and big enough (road presence that a 5 series body can't match) that people will recognize instantly that it's an expensive car.
I agree. Most people will not know the difference between base BMW models and their M variants. Only enthusiasts could tell the difference, sometimes.

I personally don't care and prefer it because I hate attention, but people that use these cars as a status symbol might.
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I think you missed his point. There are many super cars in the 570S price point so take your pick. I agree with him though. After tax and fees you're looking at over 200k for that Mercedes.
Actually he and I have had other convos about the 570S since it first came out in regards to value, driveability, etc. so my response was to that car only.

I agree though, that segment leaves a lot of good choices on the table from the V10+ R8, Porsche Turbo S, 570S...etc. At 200k personally the 991.2 Turbo S would be my choice because of the needs I have for the car, plus I already have an R8 modded.
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I think you missed his point. There are many super cars in the 570S price point so take your pick. I agree with him though. After tax and fees you're looking at over 200k for that Mercedes.
Actually he and I have had other convos about the 570S since it first came out in regards to value, driveability, etc. so my response was to that car only.

I agree though, that segment leaves a lot of good choices on the table from the V10+ R8, Porsche Turbo S, 570S...etc. At 200k personally the 991.2 Turbo S would be my choice because of the needs I have for the car, plus I already have an R8 modded.
I see. I was under the impression you meant exotic cars in the 200k+ range since leasing a GT63 is pretty much close to leasing a huracan
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I had a crack at the GT 63 S, and I have to say it is in a different league compared to the M5. It is heavier but feels lighter and nimbler, it feels like a AMG GT S. It is a very special car.
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I had a crack at the GT 63 S, and I have to say it is in a different league compared to the M5. It is heavier but feels lighter and nimbler, it feels like a AMG GT S. It is a very special car.
Damn it Carlos, I need more than just your "crack" comment!!!!!!

Where did you drive it, what type of speeds, what was the track or road like?

I will say this, my AMG GTS drives really well and its 4 years old now. I have yet to drive this GT63S though.
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Damn it Carlos, I need more than just your "crack" comment!!!!!!

Where did you drive it, what type of speeds, what was the track or road like?

I will say this, my AMG GTS drives really well and its 4 years old now. I have yet to drive this GT63S though.
Don't worry Vic, I will make a more thorough review later on. I am a little too busy right now. But if you get the chance to drive the GT 63 S do it just for the feel of the car. It feels a cut above the M5 and E63 S. But I still retain the opinion that it is stupidly priced, and whoever pays $185k or $3.5K is absolutely insane. I would say it is about 10-15% better than the cheaper alternativas (E63 S and M5). And it rides stiffly too, but less so than the E63
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Don't worry Vic, I will make a more thorough review later on. I am a little too busy right now. But if you get the chance to drive the GT 63 S do it just for the feel of the car. It feels a cut above the M5 and E63 S. But I still retain the opinion that it is stupidly priced, and whoever pays $185k or $3.5K is absolutely insane. I would say it is about 10-15% better than the cheaper alternativas (E63 S and M5). And it rides stiffly too, but less so than the E63
I can understand the "feel" aspect. If that interior is half as nice in-person as it looks in photos, that's enough right there.

The mechanicals are the same as the E63S, right?

// EDIT: I forgot to say, there's no world in which I'm paying $3+K per month on a lease unless it rhymes with Gaston Fartin.
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Don't worry Vic, I will make a more thorough review later on. I am a little too busy right now. But if you get the chance to drive the GT 63 S do it just for the feel of the car. It feels a cut above the M5 and E63 S. But I still retain the opinion that it is stupidly priced, and whoever pays $185k or $3.5K is absolutely insane. I would say it is about 10-15% better than the cheaper alternativas (E63 S and M5). And it rides stiffly too, but less so than the E63
I can understand the "feel" aspect. If that interior is half as nice in-person as it looks in photos, that's enough right there.

The mechanicals are the same as the E63S, right?

// EDIT: I forgot to say, there's no world in which I'm paying $3+K per month on a lease unless it rhymes with Gaston Fartin.
You could lease a new Mclaren for 0 down 2800 a month. Definitely not paying more for a Mercedes.
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Don't worry Vic, I will make a more thorough review later on. I am a little too busy right now. But if you get the chance to drive the GT 63 S do it just for the feel of the car. It feels a cut above the M5 and E63 S. But I still retain the opinion that it is stupidly priced, and whoever pays $185k or $3.5K is absolutely insane. I would say it is about 10-15% better than the cheaper alternativas (E63 S and M5). And it rides stiffly too, but less so than the E63
It’s a value thing for me. There was one at the track - tuned - running 10.76. An untuned Porsche Turbo will run that or better - and I don’t think the GT63 S is touching a 991.2 Turbo - in any way. The price makes it an untenable proposition in my opinion.
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