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The series identifier in the past denoted which visual design proposal was chosen. It was decided to reverse this and reserve the series version identifier and apply it to the selection. F080 - F099 are M_Vehicle_35up on the Same Design Language Level.
I.e.: F80 - M3 Sedan F81 - M3 Touring F82 - M4 Coupe F83 - M4 Convertible F85 - X5M F86 - X6M F87 - M2 Coupe F90 - M5 Sedan F91 - M5 Touring |
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Reason I am treasuring my old, and now 'slow', but mint E36 M3. Driving that just feel special with that bespoke gem of an engine.
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Just remember, lot of people complaining will probably end up buying one anyways.
I actually really like it. M5 was never meant to be a sports car and never was one.
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The transmission is only slightly more advanced mechanically above the already updated 8HPTU found in the F85/86, but that's where any comparisons cease. The Vehicle Network Integration through the Central Intelligence Control Module is being applied for the first time on a Planetary Box. Its a true game changer.
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From Car Buzz...
"Unfortunately, the M5 will be priced as if it were fully loaded, with dealers asking for no less than ?117,900 ($139,224) when ordering opens up in September of 2017. Recently won the lottery? Then the M5 First Edition, which costs an extra ?19,500 ($23,026) over the base model may be of interest. Not like you could go wrong with either model." |
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So true the F10 was received the same way. everybody was mad about the turbo's blah blah I will hold judgment until I drive the car.
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M cars nowadays are about to go as fast as possible and use every technical possibility that there is. The F90 is both, as technically advanced as ever, and without a doubt the fastest ever. So no hate from my side. I think its just stunning. If you want RWD, you can have it, if you want AWD, you can have that as well. The F90 can be as easy as a G30 530i or as wild as an F80. Of course I understand the "special" status that an E60 has with its V10. But sometimes I need a more comfy car that can do anything. The F90 is perfect for everything. If you want something naughty, raw and wild, get a Lotus or an E46 M3. Even the E60 was no sports car, just because it was raw doesnt mean it was good. It was not as reliable, not as fast and not as useful for the daily commute cause both, the engine and the transmission could be an absolute pain...so in the class of fast business saloons, I have to say that I love the capabilities of the F90!
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Promo including some M history.
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After giving the new F90 M5 a deeper analysis and reading everything I can and watching all of the videos, I have compiled my own personal following list that I'd like to share with the community. If you don't want to read through the entire list, I will tell you now that my ultimate conclusion is that while the new F90 M5 is certainly a step forward in overall performance it is not enough to appeal to a previous F10 M5 owner like myself to be compelled to buy one right away, not like the F10 M5 was over E60 M5, and the same with the E60 M5 over the E39 M5.
Here's my list of praises and grievances: What I like: 1. ///M xDrive System. There's just no getting around that these big heavy sports sedans need more traction with all the torque they are making. The fact that it can be switch from AWD to RWD is a great thing too and in keeping with the previous ///M philosophy of a RWD Sports car. 2. Weight reduction. Aluminum Hood, Carbon Fiber Roof, all Aluminum suspension components. These are all the the right moves and all things that made the F10 M5 so heavy. Still, there was much more room for improvement, such as aluminum doors for all 4 doors, carbon fiber trunk, carbon fiber drive shaft, etc... Even my 2017 Chevy Bolt EV has all aluminum hood and doors for crying out loud and man they are light too! 3. Front fascia design. It's definitely more aggressive than that of the F10. It will really differentiate in that regard. 4. ///M Side Grills. I was concerned that it wouldn't look good, but they did a good job here too. I still prefer the side turn signal indicators to be located on the fenders, but I guess I'm old school like that. 5. Front seats. They look fantastic and are probably very very comfortable. They did a good job making them look quite unique and bespoke. 6. The new red M1 and M2 buttons. The basic steering wheel was getting two cluttered with buttons and I think they came up with an innovative design to integrate the M1 and M2 buttons on the M5. 7. The exhaust flap control button. Finally, finally, finally! 8. Fins on rear diffuser. A lot of aftermarket diffuser makers go for this look and I think that M has now simply beat them at their own game by having this feature as stock. It looks good in my opinion. 9. Color choices. Snapper Rocks Blue will look awesome, as well as Frozen Marina Bay Blue and Rhodonite Silver. 10. Carbon Fiber Engine Plenum Cover. Finally a carbon fiber piece from the factory. I guess since they couldn't put a Carbon Fiber front strut brace in the M5 like they do on the F80 M3, they at least gave the M5 a nice looking plenum cover. 11. Options. Bowers and Wilkins will be fantastic and the new ///M HUD view is very cool. And did I read that correctly that the F90 M5 will come standard with all of the driving safety features such as Blind Spot Detection and stuff? 12. The new Aluminum Carbon Structure Trim. Finally a Carbon-like Trim available in the M5 from the beginning of a new M5 generation. What I dislike: 1. Side view mirror design. It's like the copy and pasted the F80 M3 mirror design onto the new M5. They couldn't come up with any OTHER design??! 2. ZF8 Auto Transmission. I know that it will be a fine transmission but there's just no arguing against the shift times of the MDCT. 3. Rear Bumper Design. Those rear reflectors look kind of goofy. On the F10 M5 the rear bumper reflectors weren't an eye-sore, the ones on the F90 are. 4. Headlights touching the kidney grills. I know this is a basic G30 design thing, but I'm already over it after looking this design for years now on the F30 and G11. 5. Floating iDrive Screen. Looks out of place in the cockpit. I LOVE the F10 interior design where the screen is nice and flush with the dash. It just looks proper on the F10. In the G30/F90, it doesn't seem as well executed as even the F13 and F12 was. 6. Wheel Design. It looks OK to me, nothing that really excites me. I hate to say that I'm already looking forward to the Competition Package Wheel design which will be different. 7. Steering Wheel Design. Same basic steering wheel design as the G30 and the G11 for that matter. I know this happened on the F10 M5 as well for the 2013 Model Year, but why can't they introduce a bespoke steering wheel right from the beginning with every new generation of M5? Now we all know the Competition Package will have a better and more sportier steering wheel design in the future, which kind of frustrates me. 8. The entire F90 M5 lower center console design. It is essentially not bespoke to the M5. Yes the F90 M5 gets a different shift lever and they added a couple of extra buttons with nice red accents and all, but the overall design is exactly the same look as the standard G30 lower console. In the F10 M5, it got an entirely different lower center console design from the regular 5-Series F10. The F90 M5 should have gotten a completely different design down there. 9. Back seat knee/leg room. There is essentially no improvement in this area versus the F10 M5. Yes BMW lists the G30 as having 0.7 inches of more knee room, but whenver I sat in the back of the G30 I never felt it was more. What I hate: 1. The engine. It's no secret that I've long dissented and lamented about them doing no innovation or development on an all new engine for the next generation M5. The engine is what provides almost the entire character of a car. A new engine would provide different acceleration and revving characteristics. And if one doesn't care about the exhaust note being unique and different, then you might as well be driving a Tesla Model S P100D that has no exhaust note. Not that the S63xx engine sounds bad at all, but it does sound exactly the same as before, and I cannot spend $130k+ on a car with the same exact sound. Conclusion Without even having driven the car yet I can't exactly give an accurate impression of the car, but I can take a pretty educated guess as to what it will be like. The F90 M5 on the street will be pretty much second to none now that it has AWD. On the track, I am willing to bet it will even produce faster lap times than an M4 with Competition Package, again due to the AWD. But at what price in driving enjoyment did it cost ///M Division to achieve this level of performance? For both former F10 M5 owners and driving purists who like NA engines and Manual Transmissions, this F90 M5 will be like driving a robot, or a car that does everything for you with the same engine sound you've been familiar with for 6 years now. Many F10 M5 owners don't mind the same exhaust note for another 6 years, but a few us wanted something new. And in the future it's only going to get worse. I can't see M Division ever developing an all new gasoline-powered engine again for the BMW M5. The next M5 will probably be another version of the S63 combined with an electric motor that will power the front wheels and a small battery pack to provide some sort of all-electric driving capability. For the M5's competitors, although the new 2018 Mercedes E63S engine does sound very good indeed, I don't see any manufacturer introducing a new gasoline-powered engine that will sound different in the future. For me this could be the end of the Sports Sedan buying experience. In the end, I do believe that the F90 M5 is a missed opportunity but a step forward at the same time. But a step forward in a different direction. A direction that doesn't appeal to me at this point in time.
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My TVR 3000M of seventies vintage had very similar styled wheels black / alloy , smaller obviously.
Love'em they look great.
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Yikes, somehow missed the pricing on the car of €117,900 (138561.97 US dollars). Don't really have any words... Loaded, ceramics, comp package, sports exhaust, you're talking 160k+ here most likely......
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