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Value, of course, is subjective. I find more value in a car that I can both commute in AND take on a track or backroads with relatively little compromise and still be under warranty.
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01-03-2018, 12:01 PM | #134 | |
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If it's "prestige" you are going for...might as well bypass the M entirely. A standard 6 series GC or convertible would suffice or just opt for the 8 series when it's out. A used 6 series would be much more prestigious to the average person than an M. The M3/4 to non enthusiasts is just another 3 or 4 on the road to them, they could care less in most cases. |
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As a daily, the M3 can be just as comfortable as a 340i but it also has the option to switch to a much harsher, track ready automobile. It's the full package with the option to not only be a reliable great daily commuter, but also can be a fun weekend car to track. And you have so many different ways to customize your settings (efficient, comfort, adaptive suspension settings, steering, etc). You also loose the reliability and warranty factor when you modify the 340i so I don't see how you can use the argument it's a better commuter. You are more prone to drivetrain malfunctions, limp modes, cooling issues, etc. But I get the general consensus of what he's stating. Pick up a budget 335/40 and just do a few budget mods and save on the price savings if you don't see the value and extra price of the M. ...But to be comparable and sink $8-10k in mods for $$ you will never see back I can't see the reasoning vs picking up a used M for a little more that's not only going to resell and hold value better but also be plenty reliable right out of the gate stock. The gap isn't that wide 340i's are 2017+ vehicles that MSRP close to $60k new. Unless you are stealing a 1 year old 340 for $30k, it's not that large of a window when you are talking 10k in mods when you are picking up a used 340 for 40K+ 8-10K in mods. A few more grand, and you're there and the M will infinitely be worth more while also being more reliable as time goes by. I've driven both as commuters and I'd still choose the M. It's not like it rides like a truck in comparison lol. Bottom line: He needs to go drive one and stop posting. Then he can decide if the value/price is worth it to him. For some, it's not, and that's perfectly fine. However, if you are going to mod a 340i in attempt to be comparable to an M, then you are much better off starting with the M to begin with. You get what you pay for (better parts, reliability, full package, customization, etc). Or just enjoy your 340i stock or just do a budget stage 1 tune and be happy and enjoy your savings. Last edited by IDBGOD; 01-03-2018 at 12:36 PM.. |
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01-03-2018, 12:41 PM | #136 | |
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I have no doubt that your 340i is a blast to drive. In my time with my 340i I could see a lot of tuning potential.
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DCT behaves very differently than a standard 8 speed auto. The steering, brakes, suspension, drivetrain, etc. it's all different....it's just something any modified 3 series can't replicate unless you were to completely rebuild the car which wouldn't make much sense. But in all fairness, Dinan has a notorious reputation for being overpriced and having pretty conservative/low gains for the $$. For the amount that you spend on Dinan upgrades you have already closed that gap, I assure you. You are paying a premium essentially for a matched warranty, one that already comes with all those gains and more stock on the S55 platform. Of course a $4k Dinan exhaust sounds better than a stock non ZCP F8x car. The stock exhaust is nothing to scream home about on a non comp car. I'm sure you love your car and it's a labor of love as we say when we mod cars. You never expect to really get much back. All I'm getting at is if it's value and savings you are going for then stick with a few budget mods that are easy to remove and resell and be happy. When you start putting $8-10k in mods to be "comparable" to an M3 you are better to start with the better platform (both value wise and in general). Then you start modding the M3 and the gap gets even more insane. You also get more in terms of gains from just a basic tune. Last edited by IDBGOD; 01-03-2018 at 01:09 PM.. |
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Not if it's kept on the car. I'd bet it's actually less likely to sell with mods since on one really wants a car that's been tracked unless they plan to track it themselves, in which case an virgin used 340i is the better buy. This is why many go back to stock and just sell the parts.
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You spend more for the M, but in another 3 years it's going to also be worth much more. Again, "prestige factor" generally isn't why people buy M cars. Most people just see the M3/4 as just another glorified 3/4 series, they haven't got a clue...and there are much more "prestige factor" BMW's you can get into for less than the cost of the M3/4 Warranty was only brought into the discussion because you were implying the modified 340i is a better daily commuter for the value. Typically when you mod cars you lose the warranty/reliability factor. So for the gains and the added reliability the M is a clear winner here as it has all that plus more in its stock form vs running a heavily modified 3 series car. It seems you went with Dinan so you still have a warranty so to speak though you also can run into issues (with Dinan or any aftermarket tuning). It's more stress on the components more prone to drive train errors, CEL's etc..and while you may have the warranty matched by Dinan, it's still more prone to issues appearing. Adding 100+ hp/tq to the 340 would be liking having 550+whp on an F80 car. It's just more prone to stuff happening with or without the warranty coverage and potential for more headache and dealership visits. It's clear though you have justified that your modified 340i is worth it more to you for the price differential. That's perfectly fine, to each their own. The fact remains however that the M3 will still hold resale much better over time as well as have much better reliability than your modified 340i. The S55 is also a much better mod friendly platform to start with and you get better gains for the $$. You say your comments aren't emotionally attached, but it's human nature to justify our actions and validate our purchases or what we can or can't afford. Tell me this, have you driven an M3? Because I have owned and been in both (modified and non modified 3 series) and there really is no comparison. Apples and oranges. It seems you are making an argument/comparison based on not even have driven a current M3, while many here came from F30 cars (and modified F30 cars) so how can you have a valid opinion on something you haven't even experienced? If you have driven one, please correct me if I'm wrong it's simply an assumption based on your posts. Last edited by IDBGOD; 01-03-2018 at 02:47 PM.. |
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Oh for sure. B58 equipped car (eg x340) is right up there on list of family haulers I'm interested in checking out.
I don't see that powertrain as good foundation for my "fun" car (I personally prefer the Uber durable cheap Japanese hamster powered 4cyl, the ones with more direct Motorsport ties like Mezger, or overpower American v8 like LS7 for that usage pattern) Btw, you should take off the coilovers and diff from your car and part it out. Non enthusiasts won't pay more for them and enthusiasts will know why you put them on the car. . |
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100% agreed. M cars are in different league.
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This has been discussed at nauseam on every enthusiast world.
Can I make my WRX an STI My Lancer Ralliart an Evo My GTI a GOLF R My S4 an RS4 My Mustang a GT350 Is my Tudor Blackbay the same as an 114060 No, no, no, no and no, over and over no. Most of these cars have different engines altoghether, but most may assume because they are both I6 engines that they can tune their 335/340 to the same performance. Yes it may make the same or more "power" but there's more to it than simple horsepower numbers. It's just a different build car from the ground up. Look for videos on YouTube with the head engineer for M describing the development of the chasis, transmission, and engine. There's also one that Chris Harris did. He said it shouldn't even be called "from a 3 series" because it's altogether different. If you cannot afford it, then you will find justifications in mods that you say will make it equal...if you can afford then you will just make the jump. As someone who wanted for many years an M car and came from a Evo X....and waited and waited and finally got an M3, I'm extremely, extremely happy. I've driven a 335 and it's fast stock, would be pretty amazing with mods I would assume, but when I crank up my F80 M3 it feels like a battleship. If you aren't in a position to buy an M3 used/new I would just get the best car my money could buy, period. I create my happiness within, from the money I am able to earn and use as needed. My Evo made me incredibly happy even though I wanted an M3. Enjoy the life you make for yourself, not the ones that are available out there. |
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If that is not enough, then get the M3. The M3 definitely wins on looks. But you will pay for those looks w/ higher insurance and gasoline. |
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On the low end torque issue, if you move to an F8x, you won't have any issue with torque. My F82 is a torque beast. It was only the e9x that had that issue because of the high-revving v8. |
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