[rav7ks]

Face it man ! The GTR is an upgrade ! It's a good car. M3 is also a good car. Both cars have their own place amongst the auto enthusiasts.
The only thing I hate is when I drive around town, every Z06, Camaro, GTR has to race by me to show how much they can GO. BMW's have their fanboy showoffs as do Camaro, Mustang, GTR, Audi etc.
Why can't everyone just appreciate each other. I hope people don't treat other people this way !
BTW- I will be buying a 2013 GTR with 570hp Wow!!!

Originally Posted by VVG

Not really. Just don't agree that the GTR is an "upgrade" to the M3. It is a totally different type of car with an entirely different purpose.

Can you believe that I looked at the GTR several times and still chose the M3?

Anyway, this thread is getting pretty near beat-to-death. I'm checking out.

[erio]

Originally Posted by rav7ks

Face it man ! The GTR is an upgrade ! It's a good car. M3 is also a good car. Both cars have their own place amongst the auto enthusiasts.
The only thing I hate is when I drive around town, every Z06, Camaro, GTR has to race by me to show how much they can GO. BMW's have their fanboy showoffs as do Camaro, Mustang, GTR, Audi etc.
Why can't everyone just appreciate each other. I hope people don't treat other people this way !
BTW- I will be buying a 2013 GTR with 570hp Wow!!!

+1. There is a new rumor that it will be 550hp. If that's case you can just put a mid pipe on a 2012 and call it a day Either way, it's plenty of power and easy to add more if needed. You have to get in the game sometime and if Nissan keeps it up at this rate with frequent revisions, there will always be "next years car." Let's see what all the details are in a month or two. I wonder if bmw is going to continue with their 7 year cycles on the M. They may have to increase the frequency to keep up with the current competitive market. The zl1 and gt500 are going to be beasts. I know they are not really in the same class as the m3 but I don't know if the M fans will be able to tolerate it if a Camaro is running significantly better lap times. I hope the f3x doesn't disappoint....so far they have done an amazing job. They have a good sense of what they need to produce to please their customers.

[US///M3]

I have a base AW M3 on 19's,to me an upgrade would be a space grey/fox red extended 6SPD E92 M3,not the GT-R. I gotta have a true manual,besides I'm not into the boy racer look.

I really think that people who are into GT-R's are attention whores, notice me...since most don't even track them.

[erio]

Originally Posted by US///M3

I have a base AW M3 on 19's,to me an upgrade would be a space grey/fox red extended 6SPD E92 M3,not the GT-R. I gotta have a true manual,besides I'm not into the boy racer look.

I really think that people who are into GT-R's are attention whores, notice me...since most don't even track them.

You could say the same about people who drive other rare/unique looking cars like Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, etc. I can tell you for certain that most of those guys definitely don't track those either. I'm not saying the GTR holds the same prestige as those well known badges, but it's the same principle. The vast majority BMW M driver's don't track their cars either. Does that make them attention whores? Well, I would say that a lot of M3 driver's are indeed just that.

[48Laws]

I played with a highly-modified GT-R last week while on my bike and the car looked and sounded amazing. Why can't we leave room to enjoy all high-performing cars instead of always pitting one against the other? I don't consider the GT-R a "boy racer" at all. I consider it an exotic Japanese supercar with incredible capabilities. Good luck with it, OP.

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by erio

You could say the same about the BMW M, AMG, Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, etc. I can tell you for certain that most guys who own them definitely don't track those either.

An M3 or AMG don't look that different than their sibblings 3 series,C class,having one isn't exactly begging to be noticed.
Re the GT-R is an upgrade
It's like telling a guy who rides a BMW bike in town that a Hayabusa is an upgrade.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by US///M3

An M3 or AMG don't look that different than their sibblings 3 series,C class,having one isn't exactly begging to be noticed.
Re the GT-R is an upgrade
It's like telling a guy who rides a BMW bike in town that a Hayabusa is an upgrade.

It all depends on how you define "upgrade".

[erio]

Originally Posted by US///M3

An M3 or AMG don't look that different than their sibblings 3 series,C class,having one isn't exactly begging to be noticed.
Re the GT-R is an upgrade
It's like telling a guy who rides a BMW bike in town that a Hayabusa is an upgrade.

Comparing an M3 to a GTR is apples and oranges with both purpose/performance and price. It depends on what BMW bike you are referring to but a Hayabusa and s1000RR both run about 13k. The s1000rr is a beast.

[My3rdM3]

Congradulations! GTR is a kick ass car! I researched getting one for 3 years but in the end I decided I had to have a "true manual". The car looks and performs like an exotic! Good luck and enjoy...

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by erio

Comparing an M3 to a GTR is apples and oranges with both purpose/performance and price. It depends on what BMW bike you are referring to but a Hayabusa and s1000RR both run about 13k. The s1000rr is a beast.

A new M3 and a used GT-R run about the same price. All these people buying new M3's must not want Godzilla.

Let's talk perfcormance,I'm into autocross,I've seen a few GT-R's autocross,I really wasn't impressed. I'll take an E36 M3 LTW with TC Kline coilovers or a Porsche Cayman over a GT-R,E92 M3 any day if only perfomance was what I wanted.

[erio]

Originally Posted by US///M3

A new M3 and a used GT-R run about the same price. All these people buying new M3's must not want Godzilla.

Let's talk perfcormance,I'm into autocross,I've seen a few GT-R's autocross,I really wasn't impressed. I'll take an E36 M3 LTW with TC Kline coilovers or a Porsche Cayman over a GT-R,E92 M3 any day if only perfomance was what I wanted.

Most people, esp. car enthusiasts and BMW drivers, want new cars. They don't want to have to worry about having problems down the road due to the previous owner/owners thrashing the car. That's esp. true with the GTR because people that buy them generally buy them for their performance and drive them hard. I personally wouldn't buy a used one unless I knew it's previous history very well. Yes you can find an older model GTR in the 70s or mid 60s generally with high miles. You can easily get a loaded M3 at or near invoice pricing for less than 70k whereas a new GTR will cost you at least 90k without options - you will be VERY hard pressed to find one below sticker with many dealers marking them up.

I think I'm done with all the gtr ignorance on this thread. Way too many haters that have no clue. It's just a car. No one said you had to like it but the car deserves. You might take one of the cars you mentioned, but the GTR with a similar driver will be running circles around you with ease.

[WRXXX]

Originally Posted by US///M3

I have a base AW M3 on 19's,to me an upgrade would be a space grey/fox red extended 6SPD E92 M3,not the GT-R.

If that's your idea of an upgrade...aim a little higher, son. Also take them BMW jewel encrested blinds off your head. You'll be able to see better. Same for the dude with the blazing fast 328i below:

Originally Posted by odiesback

what a bad way to start my day:
Opening a thread in the M3 forum to look at
pics of a Nissan!!!

Please no lectures on performance, so fast blah blah blah

It's still a Nissan in my book, from the same family that gives you
the Sentras and Maximas of the world.

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by erio

No. Most people, esp. car enthusiasts and BMW drivers, want new cars. They don't want to have to worry about having problems down the road due to the previous owner/owners thrashing the car. That's esp. true with the GTR because people that buy them generally buy them for their performance and drive them hard. I personally wouldn't buy a used one unless I knew it's previous history very well. Yes you can find an older model GTR in the 70s or 60s generally with high miles. You can easily get a loaded M3 at or near invoice pricing for less than 70k whereas a new GTR will cost you at least 90k without options - you will be VERY hard pressed to find one below sticker with many dealers marking them up.
I think I'm done with all the gtr ignorance on this thread. Way too many haters. It's just a car. No one said you had to like it but the car deserves credit whether you like it or not. You might take one of the cars you mentioned, but the GTR with a similar driver will be running circles around you with ease.

The Porsche Cayman is amazing in that form of racing where it's mainly about handling. The GT-R I saw was driven by a really good driver. The Cayman is pretty light,all the techno gizmos have their limitations.
It's like flyin a Piper Cub vs an Airbus A340,as far as fun factor,feeling as one,connected with the machine,an extension of you.Hahahahahahaha!

Talkin about tradition,here's an E30 M3 in action. That's grassroot racing...

[-=Hot|Ice=-]

Still going, huh?

[jrlee53]

Originally Posted by -=Hot|Ice=-

Still going, huh?

It just won't die. Congrats on the GTR by the way. I wish I had cash to switch cars like that, lol. I'd love to drive one of those.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by US///M3

A new M3 and a used GT-R run about the same price. All these people buying new M3's must not want Godzilla.

Let's talk perfcormance,I'm into autocross,I've seen a few GT-R's autocross,I really wasn't impressed. I'll take an E36 M3 LTW with TC Kline coilovers or a Porsche Cayman over a GT-R,E92 M3 any day if only perfomance was what I wanted.

I agree with this. Someone who can buy a loaded M3 can also afford a GTR. It really comes down to what you prefer to drive on a daily basis.

Originally Posted by erio

Most people, esp. car enthusiasts and BMW drivers, want new cars. They don't want to have to worry about having problems down the road due to the previous owner/owners thrashing the car.

I disagree to an extent. People look for a bargain, especially in this economy. The used car market is ALIVE and well. Sure, a new car may be preferred, but people are not opposed to buying used. The forum is not representative of the public at large, but even in this microcosm of the real world people have purchased many used M3's.

Originally Posted by erio

That's esp. true with the GTR because people that buy them generally buy them for their performance and drive them hard.

If "hard" is defined as stoplight racing and high speed taunting on the freeway, then I agree. If your definition of "hard" is similar to mine (..i.e...regular track/autox racing, etc.), then I candidly disagree. People tend to baby their GTR's, and they are rarely used to commute (..but owners will drive them to the local Starbucks or Cars & Coffee meets). YMMV!

[Mr. ///M3 RD]

Originally Posted by erio

There are some kids as young as 17 over on the gtr forum and it has created quite a long thread. My biggest concern about these kids, beyond not learning the value of the earning and saving money, is that it can get them hurt. Some of them blow all their money on the car and live at home with their parents, some claim inheritance and others simply have wealthy parents who spoil them the wrong way...bad idea. If someone has a car like this, they need to have a certain maturity level and a good amount of driving experience. 22 might not be too bad, but a teenage kid should not be driving this car in most cases.

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....of-gtr-owners/

+1

I've known a few of the type of individuals you describe, unfortunately they are no longer with us and are now 6 feet under ... may they rest in piece (one of them was my best friend)

Bottom line some folks just don't understand the power of some of the cars they drive.

[erio]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I agree with this. Someone who can buy a loaded M3 can also afford a GTR. It really comes down to what you prefer to drive on a daily basis.





I disagree to an extent. People look for a bargain, especially in this economy. The used car market is ALIVE and well. Sure, a new car may be preferred, but people are not opposed to buying used. The forum is not representative of the public at large, but even in this microcosm of the real world people have purchased many used M3's.




If "hard" is defined as stoplight racing and high speed taunting on the freeway, then I agree. If your definition of "hard" is similar to mine (..i.e...regular track/autox racing, etc.), then I candidly disagree. People baby their GTR's, and drive them to the local Starbucks or Cars & Coffee meets. YMMV!

By heavy I meant on the track or heavily modding which can void warranties easliy on most cars. Most don't want to pay 70+k for a car that has been beat up or out of warranty. Not many people want to buy a heavily tracked and modded car unless they know it's history pretty well. I wouldn't.

Yeah I have noticed a huge uptick of posts with users picking up used M3 lately. I think it's due to a lot of cars coming off leases or people upgrading them when out of warranty. There are a lot of people don't keep these cars beyond a few years when the warranty runs out and they get new car fever...that's the American way even though it's not always the right financial decision. This has allowed a lot of people to acquire one who wouldn't have been able to do so new or were holding out for a bargain on a gently used model. Some people are just dieing to drive an M emblem just for the attention/status/prestige. As I said before, most M3 drivers don't track there cars. However some do some heavy mods to stoplight race or simply give them more of a wow factor. I know of two older woman in town with M3 coupes. They are basically grocery getters. Those cars have probably never seen above 50 mph or 8000 rpm, much less a track.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by erio

By heavy I meant on the track or heavily modding which can void warranties easliy on most cars. Most don't want to pay 70+k for a car that has been beat up or out of warranty. Not many people want to buy a heavily tracked and modded car unless they know it's history pretty well. I wouldn't.

My point of contention was that you stated prior that people regularly drive their GTR's hard and I disagreed. It is highly likely that your average used GTR is a babied example. Rarely are GTR's tracked/autocrossed, so a heavily tracked GTR is few and far between. Modding is another story though. Money burns holes through the pockets of many.

Originally Posted by erio

Some people are just dieing to drive an M emblem just for the attention/status/prestige.

This applies to the GTR as well. Your average GTR owner/fan learned about the car from Gran Turismo.

Originally Posted by erio

As I said before, most M3 drivers don't track there cars. However some do some heavy mods to stoplight race or simply give them more of a wow factor.

It is true that most M3 owners don't track their cars, but you'll find more M3's at the track than you will GTR's (..mostly because of the sheer number of M3's on the road). The stoplight racing also applies to the GTR, but it is usually associated with younger owners.

Originally Posted by erio

I know of two older woman in town with M3 coupes. They are basically grocery getters. Those cars have probably never seen above 50 mph or 8000 rpm, much less a track.

Key words "older women"! What else would you expect of them?

[positiveions]

congrats

[Gubbins]

Congratulations! You're going to love the GT-R. There will be aspects of the M3 that you will miss though.

[erio]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

My point of contention was that you stated prior that people regularly drive their GTR's hard and I disagreed. It is highly likely that your average used GTR is a babied example. Rarely are GTR's tracked/autocrossed, so a heavily tracked GTR is few and far between. Modding is another story though. Money burns holes through the pockets of many.






This applies to the GTR as well. Your average GTR owner/fan learned about the car from Gran Turismo.





It is true that most M3 owners don't track their cars, but you'll find more M3's at the track than you will GTR's (..mostly because of the sheer number of M3's on the road). The stoplight racing also applies to the GTR, but it is usually associated with younger owners.





Key words "older women"! What else would you expect of them?

I don't agree. You don't see as many GTRs on the track because of the simple fact you already stated. There are many more M3s out there than GTRs. Go over to nagtroc and you will see that there are many GTR owners who are indeed tracking there cars. I think that will help. Most GTR owners are also modding their cars....much more so than M3 drivers. This is due to the ease of tuning a FI car and the type of people who buy the cars.

A lot of M drivers are buying because of the badge. I know several. That's a fact. Buying a Nissan is not generally not regarded as a status symbol. Most people that buy them are true car enthusiasts who buy them for their performance capabilities, even if they are not tracking. I had a 997.1tt a couple years ago and def. prefer this GTR. I could care less what others think. I bought it because I like the overall package.

I have seen young and old women. It's not the point. My point is that they are most likely not buying for performance. They are buying a badge/status symbol.