[mundo74]

couple things.

credit to making the car lighter even with 4wd.
appears nothing is lost with electric steering
nifty 4wd modes. again this is welcomed by many
this car is slightly less fuel efficient than the f10
zf 8at is a step down. no matter how they spin it. even the wording of the press release kinda concede this.

with all prior models the powertrain was always something new that many other cars without the m badge did not have (v10, SMG, dCT). steptronic reminds me of my old 328.

The thing is Porshe has taken a gamble on powertrain development aka PDK and BMW too. by not investing in a new engine and transmission they are kinda hedging that it may not payoff. either that people will not care or what i really think, electric drivetrain. why invest millions on obsolete tech. the day approaches when we will be debating kilowatts vs dct/auto transmissions.

[GioM3]

I don't know, should I be happy, or sad?
Happy that finally M kicked amg ass,
Happy to assume that same technology will be applied to lighter M8,(and will kick r8's ass),
Or sad, that instead of driving pleasure of e34&e39, we got acceleration and straight line speed of a supercar from a 5 meter saloon car,
Is it gonna happen to M3/M4?
Is it beginning of the end of manual gearbox?
Is Auto+X-Drive future of the M?

[Jez_zza]

well... hello M5

Soundrack available here

[Who's on first]

Originally Posted by Lt1camaro

Now that the M5 is going AWD mode, what differentiates the M5 from the X5M or the X6M? Before, if you wanted a high performance premium sedan, you bought an M5. If you couldnt deal with RWD due to where you lived but still wanted a BMW performance car, you bought an X5/X6M. Now there are no differences.

Sure... this make them the same

[mvigod]

Love it. Buying one!

[cbertels]

And I thought the GTS was a polarizing vehicle.

I like what I've seen thus far and look forward to a production model getting put through the paces to see how it shakes out.

[tibookM3]

I have a strong feeling this is the next car for me. European Delivery 2018, I'm excited.

[Law]

Originally Posted by Boss330

Yes, because the ONLY thing that differentiates the F10 M5 from the X5M and X6M is the AWD...

DCT as well...wait......

[RPiM5]

Man this guy is never satisfied!

http://www.captiongenerator.com/5128...acts-to-F90-M5

[Law]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Man this guy is never satisfied!

http://www.captiongenerator.com/5128...acts-to-F90-M5

Oh no, I can already tell this is gonna be good.
Going to watch this during lunch later

[GLTSRY1905]

Just wanted a m car that actually sounded special. That's all...

But since they're using the same engine , I shouldn't keep my hopes up. Bmw is really behind when it comes down to sound compared to Audi rs7 and e63 amg s

[greekcs]

I like the ability to go from AWD to 2 wheel but there will still be a weight penalty with all the extra drivetrain components regardless.

[Remonster]

Originally Posted by bimmercar

question: is the rwd mode enabled only if you disable DSC?

Yes, with DSC on you get the normal AWD mode and when you switch to MDM stability control mode, you also get AWD Sport. They're claiming that the system feels enough like a RWD car that there wouldn't be any point to switch to full RWD mode unless you want to drift, do burnouts, etc. (or dyno test the car) and in all of those scenarios, you would probably have DSC fully off anyways. It would be cool to have full RWD in MDM mode as an option but oh well.

I'm cautiously optimistic based on what we know so far, this all seems like pretty great news in my opinion for the type of vehicle that the M5 is. I think a lot of the issues people have with traditional automatic transmissions come down to the way they are set up and programmed, I can't wait to drive this thing and see how it all comes together.

The way they describe this M xDrive system reminds me a lot of the Nissan GTR, I'm sure the physical implementation will be different but the GTR uses a similar concept where the vehicle is essentially RWD unless it detects or predicts rear wheel spin when it engages a clutch to send power to the front axle. That car does not have an RWD-only mode but it does a good job of mimicking the feeling a RWD car, even kicking the tail out sideways before the front wheels start to pull the car if you give it a lot of throttle pre-apex in a corner.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by GLTSRY1905

Just wanted a m car that actually sounded special. That's all...

But since they're using the same engine , I shouldn't keep my hopes up. Bmw is really behind when it comes down to sound compared to Audi rs7 and e63 amg s

Yeah, was hoping for some sound improvements as well. A couple of the reviews eluded to the lack sound compared to the AMG.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by rallybull

Is it really that hard to accept the law of physics that the mass added by the addition of the 4wd mechanism has a density >0, resulting in some finite weight due to those components?
"The car is lighter than the previous generation" is a marketing statement which seems to be working.
There was an opportunity to make it much lighter by not going 4wd (or at least offering a pure RWD option) that was missed/compromised for other design decisions. That's all.

I have a feeling that I can probably also speak for PhoenixWolf when I say... Captain Obvious!

[JMD]

Wait Just A Freak'n Minute! let me Rewind Back to the comment regarding acceleration from 0-100 MPH! What Did He Say?....Pls Repeat that! "0-100 in LESS THAN 3.5% Secs"! Dayyyyyyumm! That's some serious giddie-upping-and-going!

Less Than 3.5 Seconds! A lot of F10,...and a few E60 M5s will be hitting the dealer lots soon!

[sakson]

Say what you want about AWD, but in today's day and age of monster HP and torque figures, it's becoming necessary. Today's M cars struggle to put the power down properly. Current M5 can get wheel spin even at HWY speeds and that's just ridiculous.

[BwoodBMW]

Originally Posted by JMD

Wait Just A Freak'n Minute! let me Rewind Back to the comment regarding acceleration from 0-100 MPH! What Did He Say?....Pls Repeat that! "0-100 in LESS THAN 3.5% Secs"! Dayyyyyyumm! That's some serious giddie-upping-and-going!

Less Than 3.5 Seconds! A lot of F10,...and a few E60 M5s will be hitting the dealer lots soon!

How dare you point out the near supercar levels of acceleration allowed by awd ... AWD is straight from Satan and the M brand is ruined forever.

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by JMD

Wait Just A Freak'n Minute! let me Rewind Back to the comment regarding acceleration from 0-100 MPH! What Did He Say?....Pls Repeat that! "0-100 in LESS THAN 3.5% Secs"! Dayyyyyyumm! That's some serious giddie-upping-and-going!

Less Than 3.5 Seconds! A lot of F10,...and a few E60 M5s will be hitting the dealer lots soon!

0-100 KPH (not MPH...)

Very impressive still

0-100 MPH in less than 3,5s would have been a bit unrealistic though...

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by BwoodBMW

How dare you point out the near supercar levels of acceleration allowed by awd ... AWD is straight from Satan and the M brand is ruined forever.

0-100 MPH in less than 3,5s would have been beyond supercar levels...

[JMD]

Originally Posted by tommytexter

Floating caliper??? Are u kidding me....regular g30/f3x with m sport brake has fix caliper for rear. F8x, a cheaper car compare to f90, both blue brake and gold ceramic have fixed. Wtf

Yes,...but non of them are an M5!

[JMD]

Originally Posted by Boss330

0-100 KPH (not MPH...)

Very impressive still

0-100 MPH in less than 3,5s would have been a bit unrealistic though...

Yeah,...I rewind the vid,...and now see that the narrator didn't define the measure!

So, that makes 3.49,..3.39...3.29,...all less than 3.5 secs! Still crazy fast for a large auto!