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10-13-2010, 01:13 PM | #89 | |
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and comments pointing out peoples maturity and sophistication (like you just did) is what gets peoples panties in a twist. and i'm sure you're going to reply to this, so i'm going to lead by example, and do what a lot of people should be doing, and just not get sucked in. (as it seems i already have, but realize, so i'm walking away.) |
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10-13-2010, 01:27 PM | #90 |
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I like 6speedonline best; haven't seen it much there. Its usualmly the M3 guys who go there getting the smackdown.
Any more on this conversation pm me. Otherwise you already had the last word. |
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10-13-2010, 02:24 PM | #91 | ||
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That's just my opinion though. I couldn't care any less about who's comfortable driving M/T or not... And yes what i just said is on topic according to this paragraph: Quote:
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10-13-2010, 03:52 PM | #92 |
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So do folks see the engine as EXACTLY the same internally and turbos and tune as Z4, but maybe better airflow to keep it cooler?
Not that 1/4 mile will be its specialty, but I think this car has a shot at sub 13 second times. |
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10-13-2010, 04:29 PM | #93 |
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Good question. SCOTT26 recently said "The best way to describe the engine of the 1M is a "Hybrid" but in the original form of Hybrid, nothing to do with "alternatives", but it is not a straightforward transplant." That leads me to think its not identicial to the Z4is engine. One or more of the articles suggested bigger turbos, but I'm not sure if that would be apparent in the engine picture since so much is covered. I'm hoping for the bigger turbos because might give it more power at higher rpms?
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10-13-2010, 05:12 PM | #94 |
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Going on the hybrid topic I think we could speculate by seeing what S-engines there are and maybe figuring they've ported some components from that to this engine?
It could come down to better cooling like the X6M and X5M engines have, or maybe bigger turbos, possibly something from the S65 (unlikely). |
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10-13-2010, 05:56 PM | #95 | |
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However, I've seen the same squabbling and insecurity rife on all car forums with owners of serious performance cars which really are populated with the 40 to 50 crowd. I think no matter the age, a certain type of person, of any age, will use the anonymity of the internet to play out their insecurity and lack of character. On the other hand, you can meet some balanced and cultured people on forums too and the speed of information relayed is amazing. You take the good with the bad.
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10-13-2010, 06:51 PM | #96 | |
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They could probably accomplish that with only a fancy tune, and it would explain why they ALLEGEDLY can't manage to get the N54 and DCT software "synced up" when they ALREADY have it in multiple cars/configurations that work with the existing higher output N54 variants. |
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10-13-2010, 06:53 PM | #97 | |
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10-14-2010, 09:45 PM | #98 | |
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Bottom line, BMW is making a 1M car to cater to people in different markets who want an entry-level M car, not specifically against US made only cars. |
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10-15-2010, 09:23 AM | #99 | |
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That is a logical explanation for the lack of DCT |
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10-15-2010, 10:23 PM | #101 | |
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If anything, BMW would probably LOVE it if some potential M3 buyers would buy a 1M. Why? Because M3 sales have been lackluster for the new model. No one knows why exactly BMW isn't offering a DCT in this 1M. BMW says they ran out of time to get it right. That seems odd to many of us because given the modest power numbers, they are not that far off from the 335is, which does have the DCT. And, I'm sure there are 335is owners who have already bumped up their power and their DCT's are holding up. So, BMW not liking the DCT in the 1M or not having time to get it right, seems very odd. It's got to have some truth though, cause from a business standpoint they aren't going to lose a sale if they could get the DCT in there. I'm guessing, but it might just be cause this is a limited number production and they just made a choice not to invest in any more research or engineering time, and dollars. It'll make the next, real 1M even more exciting, with all the colors, options, and production numbers. |
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10-15-2010, 10:56 PM | #102 |
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But it isn't, cause the Z4 also has the same over boost torque and runs the DCT. The 335is has less HP than the 1M and Z4, but also has the same over boost torque numbers, and it too has the DCT option and manual, which the Z4 doesn't.
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10-19-2010, 10:41 PM | #103 | |
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Hey BRO, the Z4 has the same over boost torque as what is being stated by the reviewers. That is where I'm getting the numbers. If you don't like it, then take it up with the multitude of pro reviewers who are stating all these numbers. I'm using what we all have. NO, I DON'T know the actual numbers like the rest of us don't either. All we have is what we've been given. So, as is being reported, no it isn't different in terms of stated power output. Yes, I have looked, and that front could indicate a better IC. Still, that doesn't mean the 1M will or will not produce more power. It could simply mean that it will suffer less heat soak, and that is a good thing, such that it can continue to produce that same power over a longer hotter run. Yes, that's a good thing. It's "German", btw. |
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10-20-2010, 12:15 AM | #104 | |
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10-20-2010, 08:02 AM | #105 |
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FWIW, I'm far less concerned about the peak hp and torque figures, than I am about BMW having resolved the oil and coolant temps issues that have regularly put this motor into limp home mode on the track.
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10-20-2010, 08:43 AM | #106 |
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