[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by somer

Lol, I noticed the same thing, i downloaded the high-res to get a look at it. One of the guys that saw a preview of the car said it for SURE had 295's out back and he wasn't lying

I noticed this and remembered that early preview too. I wonder if some countries will get one and some the other?

This press release lists the wheel widths for 20" (missing from the other one) and lists 285s as well.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...the-new-bmw-m5

If 295's are an option and the winter setup is square then that leaves people to try some interesting combos such as 275/35r20 at the front and 325/25r21 if there is enough room in the arches

[Sean@PSI]

Another epic M5, cannot wait!

[PackPride85]

There's alot of hate on here about the driving dynamics of a car that no one here has actually driven yet.....

Even if the engine isn't "bespoke" and the tranny is a ZF they absolutely will feel different as they've been retuned specifically for this car.

[F85FTW]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

I just noticed the listed curb weight. 4,254.9lbs!! That's great! Ok, they did a good job. I also noticed that at least the hood is made out of aluminum as well. But no aluminum doors, no carbon fiber trunk either. At least the roof is CF as well. But I really can't complain too much. A 4,254lbs weight beats every other competitor except the 2016 Cadillac CTS-V, but the F90 M5 has AWD too which adds weight, so this is quite exceptional, I have to say. The 2018 Mercedes E63S comes in right at 4,400lbs and the new Panamera Turbo is like 4,412lbs. The 2016 Cadillac CTS-V is right at about 4,134lbs I think. Had the F90 M5 been RWD only, I am sure it would have undercut the CT-V's curb weight too.

So really, probably the best things about the F90 M5 are its AWD system and the great reduction in curb weight. This makes it a significant car to beat. This also puts the F90 M5 about 650lbs lighter than a Tesla Model S P100D, which means that once the F90 M5 is aftermarket tuned to levels of power equivalent to the P100D, it will be faster.

Everything else aside here from looks, to the side view mirrors, and them re-using the S63 engine, this reduction in weight is what I believe the greatest accomplishment!! Bravo M Division, Bravo!

Haven't you guys learned your lesson already? BMW and almost every car manufacturer understate the real weight of the car. We went through this already with the release of the M4 when BMW claimed it was in the 3,3xx range but in reality it was in the 3,5xx to 3,6xx range. I wouldn't expect much of a weight difference between this and the F10 with the addition of all wheel drive and an auto transmission.

[SpenceRx]

Originally Posted by Ghetto2315

Everything looks great so far.

What I am desperately hoping is that tje exhaust sounds the part. M could REALLY take a lesson from AMG in that department...

Agreed. Especially with a value it should really roar when open and be subdued when closed.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by brad850csi

I noticed this and remembered that early preview too. I wonder if some countries will get one and some the other?

This press release lists the wheel widths for 20" (missing from the other one) and lists 285s as well.

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/globa...the-new-bmw-m5

If 295's are an option and the winter setup is square then that leaves people to try some interesting combos such as 275/35r20 at the front and 325/25r21 if there is enough room in the arches

How confused would ya like it?

Additional specifications can be programmed via iDrive.

[JAhmed]

Promising specs overall for the M5s intended purpose.

Looking forward to test driving before making any judgments.

[Jvalde1024]

???????? 3.2 seconds my god

[addy27]

Standard 19-inch five-double-spoke cast light-alloy wheels in polished Orbit Grey (front: 9.5x10, rear: 10.5x19)

Thats a tiny wheel upfront compared to the rear!!

Do they even proof read these before they publish??

[kevinlevrone]

Originally Posted by bclemans

Underwhelmed.
After all these rumors - with 600hp and not more.
Just 'fast enough' to take on Mercedes AMG E63S

Still can't touch the top Tesla

The top Tesla can't complete one race lap...let alone the fact that it is left in the dust after the first 2 corners

[kevinlevrone]

The only thing I dont' like about it is the base styling of the 5-series. It's boring, and the interior is extremely busy, even if it doesn't look bad. But it does look look better than the previous model.

I am also disappointed that there is nothing hybrid/electric in the engine, at least an electric turbo to help with the lag (which I am sure will be present, they always say it's minimal but it turns out it's not).

Acceleration times are phenomenal. No more problems putting the power down at stop lights I would say it could easily manage another 100hp, but half of this figure is probably reserved for the special edition models to boost slowing sales after a few years.

Also, from the videos it seems to me that the Active Sound is gone. Hopefully !

[Simple1]

Originally Posted by avi8tir

why does the german site say 0-100kmh at 3.4? So, it takes .2 seconds to get from 60mph - 62mph??

https://www.bmw.com/en/all-models/m-...-a-glance.html

English version

[farns2345]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

That's funny a 911 Turbo S does and traps almost 10 mph more in the quarter too lol.

You're right I should have qualified my statement by saying a gas engine 4000+ lbs 'sedan' can't touch the 0-60 time of a tesla.

[hi_officer]

Seems to be a polarizing car on the forums

What I still don't understand...

1) Under-tired, 285 in the rear with 600 hp - maybe this is due to AWD now and less traction issues

2) Single piston rear brakes with ceramics - why does BMW continue to do this when the F8X cars have 2 pistons? The calipers look weak imo

3) Is this really a new engine? The were making F10 M5s with 600hp weren't they? Is it really just a little lighter and adding AWD that makes this car new? Oh, and the body shell i guess

4) Matte red?


Things I like:

1) 3.2 0-60. Let's face it, most of these cars won't see serious track time so being able to accelerate in real life driving is FUN

2) Adjustable AWD - better than AWD all the time

3) Seats look comfortable (although they are really not "bucket seats as the ad suggests") and I like the red M1/M2 buttons, makes it less monochrome inside

1/4 mile time?
US Price?
Exhaust note?

[wujekwaldus]

Can't wait for comparation test:
new M5, E63 S, RS7 Performance.

I don't like new M5, for me looks like 520d with Mpackage but the same goes to mercedes where E63 looks like 220cdi with AMG package.

Car is fast, 3.4s 0-100 and 7.7s 100-200. not bad for stock saloon car.

[infamousq]

Originally Posted by RPiM5

Lol! They gotta leave room for improvement, i.e. milking you for more money for more horsepower with the Competition Package later on.

You are right!!! I still think you will get one before I do

[BIGW0RM]

WHy did they remove DCT?

[martin mustang]

Is it just me, what's up with the large outside rear view mirrors, massive and on the ugly side.
The air intake on the front works well, it should being the one used with the M sport trim to make it more aggressive.

[supershaft]

Originally Posted by Mo@BMWofFairfax

Pulling a Mercedes with the 'First Edition' nonsense. Will wait to see it.

The shift lights in the heads-up display is nice.

That's not new. It's there on my 2015 M5

[brad850csi]

Originally Posted by lemetier

How confused would ya like it?

Additional specifications can be programmed via iDrive.

Someone can do that themselves at home, or only at the dealer? Funny that no 285/30r20 option at all is listed there. Or is it just a single Michelin tyre that is designed for BMW and has been given different names?

[RPiM5]

Originally Posted by infamousq

You are right!!! I still think you will get one before I do

Nah, I think you will beat me to it. I honestly don't see my self getting one until the LCI comes out with the Competition Package, or about 5-7 years from now, which ever comes first I guess. That's if I get it at all. I have other car projects planned that I'd rather spend money on than another M5. The F10 is all I need for now, as I still don't even have a family to put into my family sedan. Lol!

[ares05x]

Originally Posted by Law

Does any of that matter during the commute to work? Probably not, and that's probably why gradually M-cars are becoming more generic, because BMW knows it can get away with it.
Why spend more money and R&D if the consumer won't notice a difference and only cares about numbers?
It's the sad reality, but there's something honest and special when a BMW M product lives up to its name and heritage, even if few can appreciate it.

You're spot on. And that's when they'll come out with a "M5 CS". It's all about product diversification for more $$$ now.