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In fact I feel extreme sympathy for most of the police officers having to deal with this. I also think that at least two of the officers should be released immediately. Two of them had only been officers a few days. Hard to expect them to control a known wannabe tough guy. The perpetrator’s charges should be increased further. Turns out they’d worked security together at a club and the policeman was a known bully at that time and they clashed a few times. Adds another dimension to his intentions for me. Good that you’ve turned this party political. Just out of interest, did you have a party in mind that would have cared about the community and would have moved them on? Last edited by Goneinsixtyseconds; 06-11-2020 at 02:31 PM.. |
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BLM are wanting the police to be defunded so they seem to be blaming them collectively. I just hate parties that make political capital out of situation whilst ignoring their own lack of action on the issue. As for who could have moved it on there was nothing stopping someone for standing as an independent candidate on having the statue removed or from BLM attending council meetings and making it a priority. |
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06-11-2020, 02:17 PM | #70 | |
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I've realised that just being fair myself is not enough. I need to do more and I've promised myself that I will. How about you?
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Spot on The Major of Bristol is black and has been in post for four years. You would think if he was that concerned about the statue it would have been history long before being lobbed in the dock. (In other words put in the museum) |
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Bristol's an interesting place, it's a bit of a mystery how that statue remained. Especially in such a multi-cultural and fairly left leaning city. One of the main entertainment centres is Colston Hall, which announced it would rename a year or two back. There are numerous streets named after him, two very good and multi-cultural private schools. Then we have one of the main roads for bars and restaurants in a generally cool area - Whiteladies Road, which leads into Black Boy Hill. To obliterate the slaving history/influence altogether would take a lot of doing. But the statue was just too much of a provocation I think.
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If someone around me treats someone else unfairly I normally make my feelings known. How exactly are you doing more? |
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Down our way the loony left have decided to pick on Baden Powell
https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/ne...hour-security/ It transpires this totally innocuous statue appeared on a far left socialist website as something to target. The liberal council leader did a knee jerk and said she'd remove it, blaming it on Police advice who quickly came back and said they didn't advise her to remove it. I popped down today to view the scene and feelings are running high to say the least so the council have backed down. The worlds gone mad. |
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The term community is quite widely used on the news and reporting rightly or wrongly and by that I meant the people who organise the marches. Interesting to see the way some seem to think what I was referring to had anything to do with skin colour and start a tirade. I certainly wish there was a way for community leaders or anyone else for that matter to be able to stop the edl going anywhere but there you go. My actual point was the police are yet again going to have to police a huge gathering in the middle of a pandemic that will likely get violent. I didn't want my family member having to be at even more risk as the yobs from the edl meet the small number of yobs who ruin the peaceful marches again with the virus still prevalent. Sorry if that offends anyone. |
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I feel terrible for our police and it's a great shame that the EDL exist to use this as another platform/excuse.
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I've actually swung to a position that some positive discrimination is needed to start to resolve this. Plus firmer tackling of anything slightly indicative of racism. That's my do more list summed up.
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So here’s my tuppence for what it’s worth.
I’ve experienced racism, more so in my early years , including institutional racism and have been on the receiving end of racial violence. Nothing like I experience in today’s society. There’s a lot of do gooders who cause more issues in their attempts to be “politically correcter”. Sometimes just leave things alone and just let people get on with life. Have the statues etc every bothered me No. Do I think violent actions have helped. No in fact they’ll probably fan the fires and make things worse. Personally I think a lot of the protests have been hijacked by a lot of people just looking for a good fight and a free pair of trainers.
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I don't agree with positive discrimination, it ends up counter productive. Treat everyone the same and the best person for the position.
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None of this relates just to recent events and BLM, I've been hearing this at management conferences for some time. BLM just emphasises some of the thinking and realities.
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The one with the most qualifications and most experience? Good argument. In my industry that is generally a 40 year old white man. If others that aren’t traditionally working in that sector, women and ethnic minorities for example, aren’t sometimes helped along by positive discrimination, how will they ever become the best candidate for the position? I sat at our management conference in January and the HR Director stood up and did a section on equality and diversity. On the stage with him were 7 other directors. All white, all men, and all aged between 38 and 50. The irony was pointed out to him pretty quickly and it was uncomfortable to watch him wriggle. A bit like Matt Hancock this week. |
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The statues themselves aren't really the point though, it's more the perceived lack of respect for UK history that the vandalism of some of them conveys. As an example, it's not long since we celebrated VE Day and a recording of a speech from Churchill was central to those proceedings; however, here we are only a matter of weeks later and we have demonstrators defacing his statue and seeking to portray him as a racist (conveniently ignoring the fact they only have the right to demonstrate and protest because of people like Churchill and the government and armed forces he led).
I felt genuine disgust at the way George Floyd was treated and I really hope the perpetrator gets what he deserves. However, if protestors here in the UK think they're going to build a consensus against racism by going after the memory of people like Churchill or James Cook I think they're sadly mistaken - IMO that's far more likely to alienate people than gain their support. |
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Yes, it normally comes down to qualifications, experience and fit within the team. Most people start at the bottom for their qualification and lack of experience. As they gain in experience they are considered for better positions that help the company and everyone else in it. If you put someone in a place that would have been better suited to another candidate just because of their skin colour then no one benefits from it.
Who would you like to be the surgeon operating on your life threatening condition.Someone who has done the operation many times with a great track record. Alternatively you could have the positive discrimination candidate who has done the surgery on a dummy and knows the theory but yet to have experience on an actual person. What's your choice? |
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Funnily enough I just saw this on FB.. |
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Yeah, let’s get him. We could all chase him down the street, beat him a bit maybe.
I’m sure course of action will teach em and stop all the protests. Or maybe we could just quietly report him to the police and let them deal with it quietly. I think I’d prefer that route to a lynch mob fuelled by social media outrage. |
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