[subterFUSE]

3 series is beneath me. I have a minimum standard for 8 cylinder engines and a minimum standard of luxury.

[duosview]

Originally Posted by jnotrom711

For me it was the ability to have 2 cars in one. An absolute beast when you want it, and a quiet smooth luxury car when you dont.

The materials, the options, the feel, the refinement, the torque, the front of the new m3 is horrendous, although its growing on me, not to the point that I like it, just hate it a little less than I used to.

Sure the m3 is better maybe for track days, but those are few and far between if ever. The m5 is by far the best daily driver/performance car ive ever owned. And I routinely put some pretty fast cars in their place.

As it happens, for comparison sake... A good friend of mine has a g80 M3 Xdrive, really cool car...

He has a JB4, Eventuri intake and exhaust on his M3, we ran the 1/2 mile together a few times yesterday.... His best was 142mph, with a few runs around 140.

He has pulled a few sub 3 second 0-60 times with his car... However yesterday at the event we ran 3 times against each other, and it wasn't even close.

We launched together, and for the first 60-100 ft he was there with me, with the AWD, but then I just walked away and continued to put car lengths on him.

I trapped between 157-160mph, with only a racechip and charcoal delete. For comparison sake.... a car with us yesterday Ferrari F8 Tributo with a tune, pulled between 162mph-167mph 1/2 miles. 710 HP stock, and I dont know how much with the tune, and 1000 lbs lighter. I didnt run directly against him, but I wouldnt be surprised if we had I would have been ahead most of the run until he reeled me in with better aerodynamics, more power, and lighter car.

The M5 has the power, the prestige, the look and feel I wanted, the daily driving capabilities, and can put MOST cars in their place. Exceptions being Tesla Plaid, 911 Turbo S, and a few other high end exotics.

However from stop light to stop light and rolling pulls, I routinely surprise, or destroy 458, 488, huracans, hell cats, GT3s to name a few.

M5 is a big car to park around in downtown compare to M2. a lot bigger feel/.;

[jnotrom711]

Originally Posted by duosview

M5 is a big car to park around in downtown compare to M2. a lot bigger feel/.;

Yes, it is certainly bigger than an M2, and M3. It's an M5.

This post was in regard to an m5 vs m3 however, and the m5 is about 6-7" inches longer than an m3, nearly identical width.

It's about 15" longer an M2 (coupe) which is a compact car by most standards, and a 2 door.

Vs the M3, if you cant fit an M5 in a parking spot, you likely cant fit an M3 in the parking spot. The 6-7" difference in length only IMHO is negligible. VS M2? Sure it's a good bit longer, but even still, the m3 and m2 crowd make it feel like the M5 is an old Cadillac DeVille at a whopping 3 feet longer than the M5, lol.

My point is, the M5 is a superior everyday car vs the M3, and M2. Not in every way, but the majority of the metrics, it's superior. Sure the m3 and m2 have their own benefits, especially on a track or windy road. And if you must have the extra 6" of space to park, then by all means buy the M3. But IMHO, that 6" isnt going to make a big difference day in and day out. M2? Well sure, its bigger, but the topic is in regard to M3 v m5.

[pbonsalb]

16” length, 5” width and 500lbs difference for 2024 M2 and 2023 M5 is a big difference that would definitely be noticed in downtown parking, at least big city parallel parking. Also on nimbleness and feel.

I don’t live in a big city, next to a racetrack, or near deserted canyon or mountain roads where the considerations above are most important. I like my M5 and appreciate its space, comfort and power, and think its handling is decent for its size and weight. But if I was 20 years younger or more, I’d choose an M2 or M3 over the M5.

[jnotrom711]

Originally Posted by pbonsalb

16” length, 5” width and 500lbs difference for 2024 M2 and 2023 M5 is a big difference that would definitely be noticed in downtown parking, at least big city parallel parking. Also on nimbleness and feel.

I don’t live in a big city, next to a racetrack, or near deserted canyon or mountain roads where the considerations above are most important. I like my M5 and appreciate its space, comfort and power, and think its handling is decent for its size and weight. But if I was 20 years younger or more, I’d choose an M2 or M3 over the M5.

I only see about .6" wider from M2 (74.3"), M3 (also 74.3") to M5 (74.9"). So 1/2 inch wider exterior dimensions.

I was mainly referring to the M3, where the m5 is only 6 inches longer, and the same width (per the data I can find), unless there is typos on the BMW website, entirely possible but thats what I see. M5 vs M3 being 6" difference, I just think in a tight parking spot, it's going to be tight in an M3 also, almost as much as the m5. .6" wider, and 6" longer, doesnt leave that much extra space to park. Not like going from an Escalade to a mini Cooper. LOL.

But yes, the m5 is quite a bit longer than the M2 indeed as noted, but thats also a 2 door.

I could see myself driving an M3 10-15 years ago also. M2? Hmmmm, have never really been a fan, but it's great for what it is and what it can do. Maybe when I was 18-25 the M2 could be ok, but I think then I would still want at least an M3. But since I don't track my cars, or care much about back canyon roads the M5 has always been the "grail" for me in terms of saloon/sports sedans.

[pbonsalb]

You are right on the width at 74” vs 75” for M2 vs M5 — that won’t make any noticeable difference. 6” or 12” can make a difference in big city parallel parking, but the reality is that you can just drive around longer looking for a bigger space and almost always find one, but sometimes literally every inch counts when you are squeezing into a tight one. I grew up in a big city, but am happy not to live in one now.

[SpeedProtocol]

gotta say.... g80 has MUCH better aftermarket support. makes me jealous sometimes.

[Genius]

Originally Posted by SpeedProtocol

gotta say.... g80 has MUCH better aftermarket support. makes me jealous sometimes.

This…but then I look at the front end and I’m good.

[SP330]

I’ve always liked M5s. The only M3s I really liked were the E9X and G8X. Former because of that engine and the latter because of its behavior on track.

I wanted a used G80 but couldn’t find the right spec and condition, went F90 and I’m thrilled with it. Fixed everything I had issue with and options I was missing on my F10.

[ltlftc77]

I had a 2021 G80 base (manual) then upgraded to a 2023 F90 (comp) two years in. I do like the looks of the G80 in person. Even better than the M5. The black grill with Tanzanite blue on the G80 worked well together imho. However:
I got tired of driving a manual and so did my passengers. I had an E46 with a stick and it was my favorite car. But the G80 had so much more power. My passengers got tired of all the head bobbing between 1st and 2nd.
The additional room in the M5 is welcome.
V8 power
V8 sound
I was amazed at how much grip the RWD G80 had, but I also wanted 4WD which the M5 has.
I spent two days at the track with M Track Days. So much fun. Several laps in the M4 and M5. The M4 Comp was close enough to my M3 for comparison. I had way more fun with the M5 than the M4. The M5 just felt so much more planted and predictable. The M4 felt a little quicker out of the turns, but it also felt squirrelly in the chicane and under really hard breaking. It could be that the tires were just more torn up, but was a stark difference. I just felt way more comfortable in the predictable M5. The lap times were about the same between the two.
It also felt like the I6 was at it’s limit where the V8 had more to give if the track would allow.
From a “luxury” perspective I really think they were pretty close. A lot of people are saying M5, but from what I recall the M3 was just as nice.
I’m glad I had the fun with the M3 and that I have an M5 now. If I could do it over, I’d do it again the same way.
Oh, the gas mileage was better in the M3 and it costs less but give me the M5.

[csayad]

I came from a 2022 M3 XDrive & 2023 M3 Xdrive. In my opinion, the G80 is a wondeful platform, honestly it’s the best platform out right now, however I feel it’s the best platform for tuning primarily. I just recently traded in my G80 for a 23 LCI F90 Comp and I’m over the moon about it still. The S63 sounds so good in my opinion, there’s no comparsion to the S58. I daily drove both of my previous cars, but now daily driving the F90 is wonderful with massaging seats and bowers and wilkins. I see some people complaining about the B&W, but personally I love them and it gives it a big bump from my “fake B&W” from my G80 AKA I used bimmercode. The bass is there and it’s clear in my eyes. I also enjoy iDrive 7.5 better than iDrive 8 because i need to have a driver orientd zone, the ID8 cars dont get a upper dashboard surround, it’s an iPad on a dashboard. Another thing I also believe the F90’s could possibly have a depreciation curve like the F80 because this is BMW’s last I guess you can say “golden era BMW apperance” before they do big grills on everything. On my G80 I had the vorsteiner grills which made it look nice etc, but the G99 is atrocious, not my cup of tea. It may have wide rear hips and all the newest tech, but it doesn’t have an intimidating look like the LCI F90. In my eyes, LCI>Pre LCI just my opinion though, I’m super happy with my choice, for those wondering I didn’t have carbon seats in either of my G80s, but most of my buddies do and I’m not the biggest fan of them because they are too stiff.

[S EyeLand]

M3 is a far superior car in every regard.

[DarkM5]

Originally Posted by S EyeLand

M3 is a far superior car in every regard.

explain

[S EyeLand]

Originally Posted by DarkM5

explain

No

[S EyeLand]

Originally Posted by DarkM5

explain

I'm sorry I can't help myself in these threads. This one isn't bad at all but its usually... "I have an RS7 it's a far superior car please tell me why your lowly M5 deserves consideration of ownership" So I usually just write... "the *input car here* is far superior in every way. Get or keep that"

[utsteve98]

I’m going with a 2025 G82 because there is no 2025 G90. Maybe once it’s released I’ll trade. I’ve had the E46, E92, F82, and F90. I appreciate all platforms and both have their advantages and disadvantages. Depends on your needs and desires. All subjective and personal preferences.

[silverE90xi]

absolutely; to each their own. it's all about preference and for some clown to say one is superior than the other without explanation is just stupid.

[S EyeLand]

Originally Posted by silverE90xi

absolutely; to each their own. it's all about preference and for some clown to say one is superior than the other without explanation is just stupid.

It's a joke bud relax over there. Only one clown there.

[shawnhayes]

Having now owned both, the F90 M5 is the ultimate evolution of a good sized family sedan with all the things. The now G80 has grown a lot in size, and is now more comparable to an old M5. For an "everything" car, I'll take an F90 more than anything stock.

Problem is, for track support, the aftermarket doesn't support the F90 well, and as a result, you get to spend most track time on OEM parts. They're good, but not super good.

Shawn

[csayad]

I had two G80 Comp XDrives!

I had a 2022 and a 2023 M3 xDrive!

The G80 is a great platform, I will say that. It’s very capable and the cars drive great. However the depreciation is nuts, especially if your a cash buyer. I put 21k miles on my 22 and 18k in my 23. I didn’t lose too much money in my 23 but my 22 I took a haircut. That’s besides the point though, The F90 is just a better car.

The quality of the F90 with the use of leather especially if you have full merino. Everything feels so plush, mine is a 23 so I’m happy to have the last model year. The S63 sounds so much better I had a single midpipe on my G80 with a racechip it was Okay.

I’m not too big into tuning but the racechip was plenty for me. The M5 has enough horsepower for me to enjoy I may do femto or a racechip later down the road but for now I’m very pleased.

I did a Dinan X pipe and it sounds perfect secondary cats are next and the car is lowered on KW Has. I have bowers and I’m very pleased with the sound system.

I just prefer the F90, I live in South Florida and the G8X cars are incredibly common. Everyone tries to build a different car but at the end of the day they are all the same and it’s minor differences lol.

That’s just my opinion, didn’t mean to write an essay but I hope this reaches the right audience. I added a pic of my car for some eye candy.

[Vinnrox250]

I currently have a 23 g80 x drive and I love the car, was my dream car as a kid and I got it. Front end was controversial and I hated it, but it grew on me. I love it, fun, quick, and easy to add power if you wanted. But I like that stock-stock plus life.

I never “loved” the f90 m5-until the LCI, but I’ve been looking more and more now about adding one to the garage, especially since the g90 is not my cup of tea and I want a v8- and I don’t know of a better platform than the f90.

I’m picky and has to be the right spec, and ideally under 10k miles and just started kind of looking, but I think the f90 LCI is the best looking one yet.

[M6-Coupe]

S63 engine, better exhaust sound, more power , more torque , much more beautiful, looks like muscle car and more room.
Two months ago I was debating between G82 and F92 and the big reason I dropped the G82 was V8