05-03-2016, 09:58 AM | #23 |
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i want AWD M. then i can get all the power down without the car squirrling around. 600 hp cannot be used on two wheels. plus awd = better handling
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whats the point of having 600+ hp if you cant use it without losing control
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I don't agree with your M2 example. There's a difference between doing what everyone else is doing and doing something because it makes improvements. Going AWD on the M5 has more to do with making it unarguably a better car overall than going with it because Audi and Mercedes are doing it. With the M2, using AWD and a 4 cylinder engine is strictly a preference and doesn't make it any better than a M2 with RWD and a straight-six. Last edited by TheBingoBalls; 05-03-2016 at 10:35 AM.. |
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05-03-2016, 10:39 AM | #28 |
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05-03-2016, 10:42 AM | #29 |
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My F10 M5 was either going sideways or the traction control light on all the time and cutting power. it was really too much torque for a RWD sedan in anything but hot perfect weather. i enjoyed my V8 X5 more to be honest. I was hoping for AWD this next gen. if you drive a GTR or an RS7 then you will know how good it is. M5 is really not the kind of car to drive sideways with tires on fire. Thats what the M3 does best. M5 really should get AWD. if its RWD its off my list. too big, too heavy, too much torque. slow as balls off the line in anything but perfect roads. i was lucky to get 0-60 in 5.5 seconds with mine. not because of power, because traction is a joke with that much torque. i would much rather safely do 0-60 in 3 seconds flat in almost any weather than have a little less weight and the ability to powerslide through corners which i would never do in a car that big anyways.
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05-03-2016, 10:46 AM | #30 |
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Why say this? BMW breaks a new sales record every quarter. I think their strategy department is very in-touch with reality.
I mean I agree with you, an M5 with ~600hp should have AWD, just so you can get off the line. But not sure how it can be seen as a mistake if they are still trying to keep M branding true to its roots by way of sticking with RWD as long as possible. Honestly I see it both ways, just looking for your rationale too.
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Now in terms of putting the power down AWD is better of the line, but when the car is rolling I don't think there is much difference. Still I don't think that 600BHP is sudden so revolutionary and groundbreaking for RWD car. |
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The M5 currently has 560hp. 40 more hp will make a world of a difference? If they increase torque at the lower end of the RPM range, that's what I'd be worried about.
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In terms of putting the power down, well indeed after rolling it might even be better, but that is in anything but perfect weather and road conditions. And well, you know, people that buys those cars use it everyday. That's why the versatility of AWD would be better suited for a car as big and heavy as this. But to be fair, as I said on my 1st post, BMW should offer both configurations. So everyone is happy. |
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It's a shame. After selling my 2013 M5 competition last year, i wanted to wait new for the AWD version.
It's not only Audi and Porsche, but also the Tesla model S. An M5 AWD would easily do 0-62mph in 3.5 sec. That should have been sufficient with a ecu tuning/piggybag to compete with the others.
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Indeed 40 horsepower more isn't much. But first of all we don't know the specs, secondly, with 560 it is already all over the place. Pretty much a lot of that power is simply useless as it is. |
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If this is really true then ///M must be planning to drop the weight of the next M5 by at least 200lbs from the F10 M5. Decreasing weight and increasing downforce will negate AWD almost entirely. The 2016 Cadillac CTS-V already comes 250lbs lighter than the F10 M5, with BMW's Carbon Core structure already making the chassis of the next 5-Series lighter than before, the next M5 should have no problem shedding weight by doing some of the simple things the M4 already has, such as Carbon Fiber Drive Shaft, Carbon Fiber roof, Carbon Fiber Strut Brace, and Carbon Fiber Trunk. If ///M could just add some active Aero Dynamics or some cool fender vents like the Porsche GT3RS, downforce could be increased substantially. Or even some serious Aerodynamic Engineering, like how the Porsche 911 R generates a lot more downforce than the standard 911 without the use of a giant rear wing like on the GT3 or GT3RS.
There is still A LOT of potential for the Sports Sedan to be every bit nearly as fast as a true sports car. The weight and downforce just needs some serious work that's all. I can speak from experience, that AWD on the M5 is not necessary. Winter tires make the car very drivable in the snow. The best thing AWD is good at is getting to 60mph. There is only one street car in the world that I feel needs AWD and that is the Nissan GTR, since Japanese engineers always want to try to design a car that needs whatever it takes to get around the racetrack in the fastest possible way.
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That's good news. But hopefully a manual is offered as well. Either way im sure awd was considered but then they realized that the additional weight may not be the best idea? Who knows
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