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I agree to a point. You know for yourself how light and nimble the e36 feels. Now imagine that weight (under 3200lbs) with today's suspension technology and 370hp.
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1) There's a chance the M2 doesn't get CF parts. That red prototype had sunroof delete but it was still metal roof. I hope to be proven wrong 2) The M4 has an S55, the M2 will have an N55. That should be all the gap the M4 needs right there considering how quick the M4s are. I personally don't think the M2 will be "barely any slower" than an M3/4, but that's just my guess 3) I think they are for different buyers. The size difference between an 2 vs 4er is sizeable. Some people might want a bigger car, some people don't care for the space/speed and just want the agility (me being one of them).
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I will admit, the one time I did drive the M235i, it didn't feel that ridiculously heavy to me. Sure, it was no E36, but IMHO, it wasn't that far off an E46 M3. Granted, I didn't get to drive it on the track or anything. This is the way I see it. If they weren't coming out with an M2, I would have been fine with an M235i with all its 3500 lbs with it. I think it's a pretty fun car and it looks great. Now imagine adding all the suspension that makes the M3/4 so great, along wiht the brakes, and a bit more power (not that I think it desperately needed it). I was sold I also haven't ruled out the possibility of building the car you speak off if somehow the M2 isn't what I expected. The E36 weighs 3100 lbs, and it can easily be turboed to 400 hp
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as a performance car....the M2 will be great-----but it is going to be an "M4 Jr" rather than a "1M the II", IMO.
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CF roof, hood, trunk, front quarters & CF drive shaft. They can also use more exotic & lighter steel in critical areas, than in the 235i. Not-to-mention special seats, wheels, exhaust and suspension components, etc. If you can cut out 180lbs, you don't think BMW can do more..? LOL |
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I thinking they'll reduce weight by 100lbs, but no more than that.
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Why? The materials for CF itself, are CHEAP..
How long have BMW been making CF roofs & shafts..? They already have the manufacturing process down. CF isn't exotic anymore... My sunglasses, money clip, cell phone case, hockey stick, envelope opener, etc, are all carbon fiber. |
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It's just not as feasible as you wish it be.
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If anything there would be some additional costs incurred for crash-testing, etc... But I still think a CF roof is very do-able for the M2.
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Posted this comment recently in another thread but think that it's more appropriate to post it over here in this dedicated thread.
As we know, the 1M is universally respected as motoring marvel by enthusiasts and the competition. No-one could have fathomed that the staunch M version of "just" the entry level BMW would be showered with "instant classic" accolades and capable of rocketing itself at once (2011) into car history books. Do yourself a favor and tackle the 1M whilst talking to dealers of Porsche, Audi, Mercedes, etc. In some way it's actually some sort of trolling, because they might sigh and hush something along the lines: "Gotta admit: we can't fault that one. But please don't quote me on that". Exit 1M - Enter M2: as game changer / benchmark within its category, the 1M royally paved the way of high expectations for the M2. So be patient. There are horses and horses for courses. The M235i and M235i Racing are entry courses (entrée). The M2 will be the main course. Let the BMW M Division spend time and resources to perfect the M2 prototype, to release a bat out of hell outdoing the 1M. Dropping the 4-banger engine layout idea (less weight though) in favor of a 6-banger, was in the end the right move - the best "fit for purpose" choice for this M car. It allows BMW M to even more showcast being on top of its game and allows the M2 to shine its many colors on the street and on track. With the M2, BMW M got gold on their hands - and they know it. Sure they do. Many prospective owners sitting on the fence, lusting for a "1M 2.0" package and willing to pay top-dollar for it. Apart from an automotive success (design/concept/performance/technology/etc.), it has all the potential to become a commercial success too. With the right total package and smart pricing ("best bang for the buck" - rather affordable for the target customers), BMW M has another ace upon its sleeve to blow the competition out of the water. It will raise the bar, again. And the competition ? They know it too.
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