[MrOhnoez]

OH I just remembered we also had this sweet red 2.0 Giullia we took in on trade RIGHT when our new used car sales manager started.
I go to gas up the car, can't battery is dead.
Go to pop the hood, latch cable is stretched, can't pop open hood.
Finally get hood open and jump car.
FINALLY! Time to gas up....Why are the brakes squeaking so loud?
Oh.. either rear brakes or parking brake is stuck on...
I give up and tell the manager to get rid of this POS.
They get it in to service, replace the battery, fix the issues, tech goes to gas up the car, and the gas cap door is stuck...
I don't think we ended up keeping that car for some reason.
LOL This is legit I almost forgot about that car.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

I mean, If we're talking residuals, you can pick a QV up for low 30s, probably high 20s, which is what they were traded in as, these were $70K-$85K cats new. If you really want one, just buy a used for for a few years or until the next big repair.

Those early 2018 QVs were disasters. I'd never touch one, especially with that type of mileage.

They refreshed the car nicely for 2020+, those are the ones to consider.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Those early 2018 QVs were disasters. I'd never touch one, especially with that type of mileage.

They refreshed the car nicely for 2020+, those are the ones to consider.

Yes, and if you consider the discounts (and selling price, not MSRP), the resale values are quite good.

[Needsdecaf]

I kind of feel like the Giulia QV is the hot crazy chick you would love to be involved with, but it depends on your personal tolerance for pain. You know, risk / reward and all of that. LOL.

For sure the car has many charms. It's not perfect but the engine note and seemingly the chassis feel overall pips the G80.

Autofanatic on YouTube went from a QV to a G80 Manual back to a QV DESPITE his first QV having issues such as killing power in the middle of driving, etc. LOL. Safe to say his experiences were, uh, colorful and even his new car is having issues:

So I guess the lesson is there still is no perfect car.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

I kind of feel like the Giulia QV is the hot crazy chick you would love to be involved with, but it depends on your personal tolerance for pain. You know, risk / reward and all of that. LOL.

For sure the car has many charms. It's not perfect but the engine note and seemingly the chassis feel overall pips the G80.

Autofanatic on YouTube went from a QV to a G80 Manual back to a QV DESPITE his first QV having issues such as killing power in the middle of driving, etc. LOL. Safe to say his experiences were, uh, colorful and even his new car is having issues:

So I guess the lesson is there still is no perfect car.

Autofanatic is actually on his 3rd QV, and the first one only had issues after water leaked into the ECU or battery (cant remember), but that was his own fault too if I recall.

[Burrcold]

Didn't Autofanatic drive another G80 recently with the regular sport seats, and said that he would kept the G80 (or even go back to one) if he had realized how much more comfortable it made the car (something he was looking for)?

[DS_BMW]

I love the G80 and G82. Had both of them but the driving experience with the Quadrifoglio's is next level! But dealers are not near the same as BMW. .

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

I love the G80 and G82. Had both of them but the driving experience with the Quadrifoglio's is next level! But dealers are not near the same as BMW. .

Have you had any issues? I mean, the engine we know is about as stout as they come being Ferrari derived and it having a very solid track record in their cars

[lizardx]

Instead of some interesting performance oriented debate, the thread got botched by some worn out boring nonsense.

A shame that badge snobbery gets so quickly in the way of true, honest car enthusiasm.


Anyway, here is mine 2018, with 84.000 miles, a daily driver (hot summers, cold winters) and used for trackdays. Not the best lap time, but it was my first time at Red Bull Ring:

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by lizardx

Instead of some interesting performance oriented debate, the thread got botched by some worn out boring nonsense.

A shame that badge snobbery gets so quickly in the way of true, honest car enthusiasm.


Anyway, here is mine 2018, with 84.000 miles, a daily driver (hot summers, cold winters) and used for trackdays. Not the best lap time, but it was my first time at Red Bull Ring:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiKM6D3qaAM

Yep, couldnt agree more, badge snobbery is lame & nearly always practiced by inexperienced folk that have only ever had 1 or 2 brands & have zero real world experience. Once you have owned most performance cars/brands you soon realise ALL brands have positives & negatives. Nothing worse than regurgitated decades old Jeremy Clarkson crap. Ive personaly never owned a quad but i’d happily buy a Stelvio for the wife if they were smaller.

[MiamiFan13]

Originally Posted by Adcampo

I wanted a Quad when they first came out, but was disappointed they didn’t come with the manual. Test drove and got pretty close but ended up going what the F80. Still a great car, but it looks pretty dated inside.

EXACTLY!!! We were getting teased about a manual before the release...and then it never happened. I would have bought it.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

This information is simply not correct. Alfa have actually been a very reliable brand. The Quads especially. In the research I did, most of the people who owned Alfas, and Quads, were also owners of Porsche, Ferrari, Ms, RS', AMGs, and most of them said they were as reliable or more so than any of the other brands. I also saw many owners with 50-100K miles on Giulias that have been out in EU for some time say the same. The people I know who have owned Quads in the US have had no problems, especially after 2018. On top of that, they have held their value quite well.

Alfa was the ONLY dealership with cars on the lot during the pandemic/post-pandemic/chip shortage. Those cars sat……and sat……and sat. Nobody wanted to buy them.

[E92Mthusiast]

Let’s not forget here that almost every car that we look at today and lust over sat and sat and when they were on showroom floors. Dealers couldn’t give away performance models like the M3 LTW back in the day. I don’t really understand why that’s an arguement for some of you. Do you want to go down the street and see 7 more of your same car? I’m the complete opposite, there’s an allure to me of a car that most people don’t know what it is but will smoke them at the next red light. I had an ‘18 quad and the thing was incredible. The only time it ever went in for service was because of a faulty bumper sensor for PDC. The interior was incredibly user friendly and I loved that there wasn’t some huge screen in the middle that bulged out and above the dash. Took it on several long road trips and it was equally as fun as comfortable. Still wish I wouldn’t have sold it and actually been thinking about adding one back into the fleet. The steering was sublime and it was such a good car right out of the box. As a serial modder, I was pleasantly surprised at how little I did to that car to enjoy it so much.

[Damage Inc]

I've had a dozen M cars, 911's, R8, etc. The Quad was a special car. The steering, size, and rear feel of the car, amazing.

However after multiple untimely break downs, it forced me to get rid of it. Once I was in a left turn lane on an 6 lane highway - just DIED. Another in school line lol, another driving into a parking garage. Can you imagine?? LOL. It had to sit for 3 to 4 HOURS before it would start up. No tow truck can tow an Alfa without special tools.

One of the times it was 100 degree heat, I was with my daughter, we sat and sweat on the side of the road for hours. Cop felt so bad, he drove us and he sat behind the Alfa with his flashers on for almost 2 hours.

I considered one again in 2024 vs. an F87 M2. I have a couple other cars now, but I just cannot deal with crap like that in my life, its 2024 I don't have time for cars that just die with no notice. Dealer admitted they had no idea.

Beautiful cars, but you gotta know what you're getting yourself into.

[TXGrey]

Originally Posted by Damage Inc

I've had a dozen M cars, 911's, R8, etc. The Quad was a special car. The steering, size, and rear feel of the car, amazing.

However after multiple untimely break downs, it forced me to get rid of it. Once I was in a left turn lane on an 6 lane highway - just DIED. Another in school line lol, another driving into a parking garage. Can you imagine?? LOL. It had to sit for 3 to 4 HOURS before it would start up. No tow truck can tow an Alfa without special tools.

One of the times it was 100 degree heat, I was with my daughter, we sat and sweat on the side of the road for hours. Cop felt so bad, he drove us and he sat behind the Alfa with his flashers on for almost 2 hours.

I considered one again in 2024 vs. an F87 M2. I have a couple other cars now, but I just cannot deal with crap like that in my life, its 2024 I don't have time for cars that just die with no notice. Dealer admitted they had no idea.

Beautiful cars, but you gotta know what you're getting yourself into.

This right here. I’m not bashing AR… I researched the living crap out of the S-quad… I know how great they are at what they offer (test drove several). And at the time, I had a 3rd car in the garage for emergencies… but now, no more third car, and in all honesty, I just don’t have time for that…. Not the random dies, nor the insignificant trips to a dealer for whatever small gremlin is rearing its head… If you know what you are getting into, and have the time and patience to deal with it, these are fantastic everyday drivers’ cars/cuv. But for me, the M40i has been flawless and perfect in every way I’d hoped. Brilliant everyday driver.
To each their own tho…. And I wouldn’t blame anyone who goes after the Quads…

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by E92Mthusiast

Let’s not forget here that almost every car that we look at today and lust over sat and sat and when they were on showroom floors. Dealers couldn’t give away performance models like the M3 LTW back in the day. I don’t really understand why that’s an arguement for some of you. Do you want to go down the street and see 7 more of your same car? I’m the complete opposite, there’s an allure to me of a car that most people don’t know what it is but will smoke them at the next red light. I had an ‘18 quad and the thing was incredible. The only time it ever went in for service was because of a faulty bumper sensor for PDC. The interior was incredibly user friendly and I loved that there wasn’t some huge screen in the middle that bulged out and above the dash. Took it on several long road trips and it was equally as fun as comfortable. Still wish I wouldn’t have sold it and actually been thinking about adding one back into the fleet. The steering was sublime and it was such a good car right out of the box. As a serial modder, I was pleasantly surprised at how little I did to that car to enjoy it so much.

It’s a testament to the overall lack of desirability for AR’s. The fact that people with money to spend would not buy one is indicative. The individuality aspect is irrelevant as it pertains to this argument because this isn’t about that. The other dealerships couldn’t keep cars on the lots and people were paying ADM on nearly everything, yet, nobody wanted to touch the AR’s. The lack of a dealership network is another indication of a lack of desirability. Your specialty edition M3 LTW example isn’t exactly an apples-to-apples comparison. BMW couldn’t give away the F82 M4 GTS either - selling it at significant discounts - but people still desired M4’s in general. There wasn’t a lack of desirability for the M3/M4 nor BMW’s overall.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It a testament to the overall lack of desirability for AR’s. The fact that people with money to spend would not buy one is indicative. The individuality aspect is irrelevant as it pertains to this argument because this isn’t about that. The other dealerships couldn’t keep cars on on lots and people were paying ADM on nearly everything, yet, nobody wanted to touch the AR’s. The lack of a dealership network is another indication of a lack of desirability. Your specialty edition M3 LTW example isn’t exactly an apples-to-apples comparison. BMW couldn’t give away the F82 M4 GTS either - selling it at significant discounts - but people still desired M4’s in general. There wasn’t a lack of desirability for the M3/M4 nor BMW’s overall.

💯

[Neusser]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

OK grammar police… I fixed that for you… Siri hopes you can sleep tonight…

It wasn't a grammatical issue.

Also, Siri is not real.

[Damage Inc]

Oh, I forgot about my favorite dead Alfa story.

I’m receiving an award at work in front of 300 people. My VP says be in early.

Out to the garage, the Alfa is DEAD for no reason!!!! Had to scramble to pay for an Uber, barely made it to work in time.

Alfa customer service is horrible btw.

[FCX5]

It’s hard for me to believe that everyone with a failed Alfa Guilia ended up on this forum. LOL. 😂

[adc]

Originally Posted by FCX5

It’s hard for me to believe that everyone with a failed Alfa Guilia ended up on this forum. LOL. 😂

It’s probably quite simple. Everyone with a failed Alfa went and bought BMWs.

[FCX5]

Originally Posted by adc

It’s probably quite simple. Everyone with a failed Alfa went and bought BMWs.

Looks that way. Right? The same thing happens when people post anything about Range Rovers or any other brand in general…oh well. I suppose I have been lucky with other brands so far. I find BMW overall offers the best value for money for my needs. I think the Alfas look and sound beautiful. FWIW.