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      03-28-2020, 09:12 PM   #111
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Played with the DSC Controller today.

Nasty high DA as noted on the Dragy. Hot and Humid.

But a 1.53 sixty foot on a pump gas 91 octane tune....I'll take it. Same pass ran a 0 to 60mph in 2.42 seconds without rollout and 2.24 seconds with the typical magazine rollout.
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Played with the DSC Controller today.

Nasty high DA as noted on the Dragy. Hot and Humid.

But a 1.53 sixty foot on a pump gas 91 octane tune....I'll take it. Same pass ran a 0 to 60mph in 2.42 seconds without rollout and 2.24 seconds with the typical magazine rollout.
Wow!
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That M8 Comp GC will be on it once you get some seat time tuning that bad boy !
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That M8 Comp GC will be on it once you get some seat time tuning that bad boy !
I'll get her there but I'd have to cut her entire arse off to even conceive of those numbers (and it's way too pretty for that).
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I'll get her there but I'd have to cut her entire arse off to even conceive of those numbers (and it's way too pretty for that).
The M8 is stunning ! Homerun by BMW !
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By the way, M8 GC is coming to Brazil. Prices of US$ 210.000 (around R$ 1.100.000). Just US$ 40k less than the 911 Turbo S, even with our pathetic currency devaluation).
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By the way, M8 GC is coming to Brazil. Prices of US$ 210.000 (around R$ 1.100.000). Just US$ 40k less than the 911 Turbo S, even with our pathetic currency devaluation).
The Turbo S is just going to be incredible- I wonder if they have done anything to make the sound better? Its the one part of the car that never fit the rest based on my multiple ownership experiences.

Porsche says 2.6 zero to 60 which usually means 2.3 in the real world as they are very very conservative no???
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The Turbo S is just going to be incredible- I wonder if they have done anything to make the sound better? Its the one part of the car that never fit the rest based on my multiple ownership experiences.

Porsche says 2.6 zero to 60 which usually means 2.3 in the real world as they are very very conservative no???
My guess is it does 2.2-2.4 and runs low 10s quarter mile at 138-140 mph. The turbo doesn’t sound as good as a GT3 but still sounds good inside and with an exhaust sounds adds the volume needed. I don’t think there’s a better daily car out there. The luxury, capability, fun factor are all there in spades. As I’ve said before I am surprised at how much better my 991s and even 718 GTS rode than my M5C.
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The Turbo S is just going to be incredible- I wonder if they have done anything to make the sound better? Its the one part of the car that never fit the rest based on my multiple ownership experiences.

Porsche says 2.6 zero to 60 which usually means 2.3 in the real world as they are very very conservative no???
992TTS will be a VERY interesting ride.

GT2RS WEGHS 3280 lbs 690Hp. Solid 10.1 at 139mph

2017-18 TTS WEIGHS 3557lbs curb. 580Hp Solid 10.6 at 128mph.

2019 TTS WEIGHS 3557lbs curb. Solid 10.4 at 131mph

992 TTS weighs 3636lbs curb. 640Hp. But more tq. BETTER AWD with more power to the front wheels.

The AWD factor will be interesting. The Taycan I spent time with pulled HARD from the front even though apples/oranges. Flat feeling pull.

I still say the 992TTS will hit 10.2 at 136ish. But the AWD / torque factors are wildcards that could move those numbers a bit.
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992TTS will be a VERY interesting ride.

GT2RS WEGHS 3280 lbs 690Hp. Solid 10.1 at 139mph

2017-18 TTS WEIGHS 3557lbs curb. 580Hp Solid 10.6 at 128mph.

2019 TTS WEIGHS 3557lbs curb. Solid 10.4 at 131mph

992 TTS weighs 3636lbs curb. 640Hp. But more tq. BETTER AWD with more power to the front wheels.

The AWD factor will be interesting. The Taycan I spent time with pulled HARD from the front even though apples/oranges. Flat feeling pull.

I still say the 992TTS will hit 10.2 at 136ish. But the AWD / torque factors are wildcards that could move those numbers a bit.
I think that is solid logic.

Some additional thoughts:

- car is much more slippery than a GT2RS which always astounded me how hard it pulled despite extremely high levels of downforce
- my guess is, the 89 hp increase ends up being very conservative (likely to see 89 more WHP over a 991.2TTS) not only to not step on the 2RS but to leave room as Porsche holds back more than anyone on car capabilities
- gearing should be better as it is a good bit shorter in the new 8 speed PDK
*on top of that it is more efficient overall; vane pump to volume flow has 77% lower losses and aux pump has 37% lower losses
- is also venture to say its slightly lighter in US spec. The 992S cabrio weighed in from R&T at 3537

The 992S has 444 hp and runs 11.1/11.2...can only imagine what another 200 Porsche hp is going to do.

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992TTS will be a VERY interesting ride.

GT2RS WEGHS 3280 lbs 690Hp. Solid 10.1 at 139mph

2017-18 TTS WEIGHS 3557lbs curb. 580Hp Solid 10.6 at 128mph.

2019 TTS WEIGHS 3557lbs curb. Solid 10.4 at 131mph

992 TTS weighs 3636lbs curb. 640Hp. But more tq. BETTER AWD with more power to the front wheels.

The AWD factor will be interesting. The Taycan I spent time with pulled HARD from the front even though apples/oranges. Flat feeling pull.

I still say the 992TTS will hit 10.2 at 136ish. But the AWD / torque factors are wildcards that could move those numbers a bit.
Hey Tom so check this out--- my local P car guys (where Ive got 4 of my 5 Turbos) have a new 19 with an msrp of 204k--- I can grab it for 160... what do you think? Tune it- Exhaust it- Rock it???

Then wait for year 2 of the 992.2 TT-S.
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Hey Tom so check this out--- my local P car guys (where Ive got 4 of my 5 Turbos) have a new 19 with an msrp of 204k--- I can grab it for 160... what do you think? Tune it- Exhaust it- Rock it???

Then wait for year 2 of the 992.2 TT-S.
$160 is beyond a smoking deal. I'd almost buy that for a second one !

That would be a solid plan for a LOT of fun. The 991.2 is figured. 100 cell cats, Kline exhaust, BMC filter, Sam tune with Cobb. Done ! 2.24 0-60's. 10.0's at 138

Does it have Michelin's ? I exchanged at 2500miles. M>P
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$160 is beyond a smoking deal. I'd almost buy that for a second one !

That would be a solid plan for a LOT of fun. The 991.2 is figured. 100 cell cats, Kline exhaust, BMC filter, Sam tune with Cobb. Done ! 2.24 0-60's. 10.0's at 138

Does it have Michelin's ? I exchanged at 2500miles. M>P
Sam is indeed the man:

Sam-Kline-Cobb- rinse lather repeat

Its got N1 PZero's
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Sam is indeed the man:

Sam-Kline-Cobb- rinse lather repeat

Its got N1 PZero's
Under 60F N1 P0 is problematic . Not bad at all 70F and up. They like heat.

Ride, noise, etc I could not tell a difference. Under 60F the M's hook much better.
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Under 60F N1 P0 is problematic . Not bad at all 70F and up. They like heat.

Ride, noise, etc I could not tell a difference. Under 60F the M's hook much better.
I live in SoCal--- its gonna be a nice warm summer

You are a far better tactician than Ill ever be; If I get it Ill just drive it and dump it. Its white though and would be similar to to my 2016.
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Hey Tom so check this out--- my local P car guys (where Ive got 4 of my 5 Turbos) have a new 19 with an msrp of 204k--- I can grab it for 160... what do you think? Tune it- Exhaust it- Rock it???

Then wait for year 2 of the 992.2 TT-S.
$160 is beyond a smoking deal. I'd almost buy that for a second one !

That would be a solid plan for a LOT of fun. The 991.2 is figured. 100 cell cats, Kline exhaust, BMC filter, Sam tune with Cobb. Done ! 2.24 0-60's. 10.0's at 138

Does it have Michelin's ? I exchanged at 2500miles. M>P
Get it, Vic—then when this shit's over and done with, I'll drive out there and we can swap cars for a weekend.

I literally just this minute placed my order for Pilot Sport 4Ss in 295/35/20 and 285/35/20. Michelin is not only >greater> than Pirelli, for me, it renders Pirelli utterly 'P'irrelevant <— see what I did there; you're welcome.
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992TTS will be a VERY interesting ride.

GT2RS WEGHS 3280 lbs 690Hp. Solid 10.1 at 139mph

2017-18 TTS WEIGHS 3557lbs curb. 580Hp Solid 10.6 at 128mph.

2019 TTS WEIGHS 3557lbs curb. Solid 10.4 at 131mph

992 TTS weighs 3636lbs curb. 640Hp. But more tq. BETTER AWD with more power to the front wheels.

The AWD factor will be interesting. The Taycan I spent time with pulled HARD from the front even though apples/oranges. Flat feeling pull.

I still say the 992TTS will hit 10.2 at 136ish. But the AWD / torque factors are wildcards that could move those numbers a bit.
Hey Tom so check this out--- my local P car guys (where Ive got 4 of my 5 Turbos) have a new 19 with an msrp of 204k--- I can grab it for 160... what do you think? Tune it- Exhaust it- Rock it???

Then wait for year 2 of the 992.2 TT-S.
Vic that's a crazy good deal. Won't depreciate that much more in 2 years. Will be cheaper to run than the M5 over 24 months!
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Just curious, but what is the hype behind the modern 911 turbo's? Other than quick acceleration and the whale tale, I always find myself liking the Carrera S, GTS or T more, but I'm also someone who doesn't put an emphasis on 0-60 times so that could be why.

The 992 Carrera S is putting out 2.9 seconds to 60 (w/ 1ft rollout) in magazines like Car and Driver, so realistically around 3.1 seconds, and this was in both the cabriolet and hardtop with RWD, and both with a lighter curb weight than the Turbo (and no manual for the Turbo now) so what are some reasons (other than acceleration) to go for the Turbo? Just generally curious here.
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Just curious, but what is the hype behind the modern 911 turbo's? Other than quick acceleration and the whale tale, I always find myself liking the Carrera S, GTS or T more, but I'm also someone who doesn't put an emphasis on 0-60 times so that could be why.

The 992 Carrera S is putting out 2.9 seconds to 60 (w/ 1ft rollout) in magazines like Car and Driver, so realistically around 3.1 seconds, and this was in both the cabriolet and hardtop with RWD, and both with a lighter curb weight than the Turbo (and no manual for the Turbo now) so what are some reasons (other than acceleration) to go for the Turbo? Just generally curious here.
Carrera 4S is a great car. Actually all 21 variants on the 911 platform are pretty good. Excellent visibility, easy in/out, etc. Different power levels and price levels to choose from.

For me it comes down to Brute Force Acceleration.
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Just curious, but what is the hype behind the modern 911 turbo's? Other than quick acceleration and the whale tale, I always find myself liking the Carrera S, GTS or T more, but I'm also someone who doesn't put an emphasis on 0-60 times so that could be why.

The 992 Carrera S is putting out 2.9 seconds to 60 (w/ 1ft rollout) in magazines like Car and Driver, so realistically around 3.1 seconds, and this was in both the cabriolet and hardtop with RWD, and both with a lighter curb weight than the Turbo (and no manual for the Turbo now) so what are some reasons (other than acceleration) to go for the Turbo? Just generally curious here.
The 911 turbo is GT3RS fast on track (with lesser tires mind you) and straight line one of the fastest cars available but is probably the best grand tourer on the market. It’s luxurious and supple, but at the same time a driver’s car and precise in a way most sports car can’t match. It also distinguishes itself as more of a brute in terms of accelation vs the more linear power band (IMO the best NA feeling turbo motors) in the Carreras. My 991.2S and T just feel NA with great torque and I love that.

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Just curious, but what is the hype behind the modern 911 turbo's? Other than quick acceleration and the whale tale, I always find myself liking the Carrera S, GTS or T more, but I'm also someone who doesn't put an emphasis on 0-60 times so that could be why.

The 992 Carrera S is putting out 2.9 seconds to 60 (w/ 1ft rollout) in magazines like Car and Driver, so realistically around 3.1 seconds, and this was in both the cabriolet and hardtop with RWD, and both with a lighter curb weight than the Turbo (and no manual for the Turbo now) so what are some reasons (other than acceleration) to go for the Turbo? Just generally curious here.
Have you ever launched a car over and over and over and repeatedly hit sub 2.6's with no mods? (and 4 tenths or more in a 60 romp gap is huge) And then you were able to turn and carve and cut thru the canyons and big bends at speeds faster with more confidence than in other cars? All while having an amazing chassis flex that combines brilliant damper and spring correlation? The Turbo S is the decathlete of cars IMHO. Yes it lacks some sound and the naysayers call it numb and others say its diluted but to me is the every day ass kicker and even a bonafide pussy would take a Turbo S to the mall/bank/grocery store. Its my Home Depot of cars- it has everything from tools to toilets to pizza (Home Depot has great pizza). The Turbo S isnt the best at everything everytime but it sure is close in alot of segments thus my decathlete connotation.

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