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So if anything Topspeeds post has helped confirm my own (that the 570S is either slower or equal to the Turbo S). It does not. Using a 1/4 mile favours an all-wheel vehicle so it can hardly be considered an objective metric against the 570 s which is rear wheel drive. The fact that a rear wheel drive can even keep up with or beat the turbo S (Top gear drag race) is a testament to how fast it is.
I know you mention 300 KM - but almost no one is racing to 300 KM/hr - so when we say straight line it is mostly 1/4 mile we are speaking about and maybe if you stretch it a 1/2 mile run.[/QUOTE]. Still doesn't change the fact that it's way faster once the Turbo S's advantage off the line is negated. There are videos of a stock 570 s running 10.275 seconds at Atco btw. Discounting anything above the 1/4 mile is slightly myopic in my opinion. Not everyone lives their lives a 1/4 mile at a time. To beat the 570s in a straight line you're going to need a GT2RS as a 600LT is just about as fast. What would happen from a roll if both cars are stock? Last edited by Topspeed; 08-04-2019 at 02:15 AM.. |
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ET and MPH are two separate but related things when it comes to racing. ET for the most part is traction. Trap speed is the cars potential. I will be the first to admit that the Mclarens - 570S included - have higher trap speeds than the Turbo S - usually 135+ (720S being 142-146 on average). So on a roll - the Turbo S would lose more times than not as traction isn't as much an issue. THAT said, from a dig - the 570S is losing to a Turbo S more times than not as the Turbo S AWD creates 1.5x to 1.6x 60' times on the stock tires these cars come with. So I still stand by my point. In a 1/2 mile - the 570S would have the potential to pull ahead - pending how much of a beating it took from a dig. I raced a 488 which is supposed to trap higher 130's and I was a bus ahead by the finish line because he couldn't catch up. I was already a full car and a half ahead before the starter even moved. So it isn't all pure numbers in real life racing. |
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Performance wise - stock for stock - it is unbeatable. The Turbo S - especially for the performance, money and all roundedness of the platform - was the car I felt the superior choice - for me. |
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Keep in mind, I like all of them. I was looking for an "all rounder" to go with my F90 M5. The M5 is such an outstanding "all rounder" it was hard for me to find reasonable contenders. It had to be fast, comfortable. reliable and special.....not a one hit wonder. (I already have one of those that goes 0-60 in 1.5 seconds and 0-184mph in under 9 seconds and don't need a 1/2 mile to do it). So I cross shopped the TTS , GT2RS and the 720S. 720S hands down (to me) has the strongest top end hit . GT2RS is close. But neither has the comfort. 720S does not have reliability either. "For me" the TTS does it all. Would order one again and wait 3 months.
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[QUOTE=vtknight;25104103]No one is stating that isn’t remarkable. I seriously considered the 720S. Its massive depreciation and issues with quality (and need for maintenance and repair) made it too much a poor financial decision for me.
Performance wise - stock for stock - it is unbeatable. I chose the 570 S track pack, because the Porsche doesn't look like a $200 000 car. It's too understated and the interior is not that much different to a 718. The 570s looks much more exotic and is much more of an event to drive. It offers better steering feedback and I can appreciate the carbon fiber monocell construction and the lowest kerb weight and best power to weight ratio in its class, the dihedral doors etc. Depreciation on the Turbo S isn't stellar either. A fully loaded low mileage 2017 991.2 Turbo S can be had in the 130's. None of these are investments IMHO. |
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Locally - Canada - the depreciation of Porsche Turbo S’s are in the positive - costing more than (new) stock due to the limited allocations. 2017’s are still about 80% of new. The 720S dropped more than 100K since it’s release here in comparison. Maintenance is crazy here as well - minimum 2K a year - I have heard as high as 10K. 570S is a great car. I also liked the extra two seats for my Children. I wanted an all rounder - and the Turbo S - in my opinion is the best all rounder available - especially for the price and ongoing maintenance. Cars in the end of the day are a personal choice - you buy what suits you. |
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I would disagree on your price point of the 2017's. Im not sure about the dollars in RSA but here in the US these are the most recent auction sales. These are costs pre recon, and saftey... dealer gross would add maybe another 5k on top if not a bit more. These are all lower milers with decent condition reports. Again this is a US view with one of the higher fully loaded cars still bringing all the chili:
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This is a 2019 Turbo only - not S - asking 263K - about 25K over msrp. https://www.autotrader.ca/a/porsche/...%204L6&sprx=-1 This is a 2017 with almost 10K miles - I admit it has the aero kit and burmeister sound - but it is a good example - still asking about 10K less than my 2019 was new: https://www.autotrader.ca/a/porsche/...%204L6&sprx=-1 2017 with a third the KM’s - still cheaper than the Turbo S. https://www.autotrader.ca/a/mclaren/...%204L6&sprx=-1 Different area being in Canada - but that is what we have. 720S’s have dropped over 100K from msrp here. 570’s are 50+ lower. There is no Turbo S below 200K 2017 or newer - which is only about a drop of 20-30K at the most from msrp. |
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https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...&firstRecord=0 I've compared both 2017 year models and they're both in the 150's on average on Autotrader, so I don't get the whole concept of the 570S depreciating much more than Turbo S. They seem about the same to me. |
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We get hosed on the pricing in RSA. A base 570 S will cost you about US 270K 600 LT about US 380K. 720 S around US 450K. Government duties really impact prices negatively. |
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In regards to the Blue Turbo S and that price only, its really low due to announcements. The dealer probably bought it for 115k or close.
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Not to mention a more reliable car.... with a 4/50k warranty vs a 3 year.
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