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The whole formula is repeated in the entire model range they offer; same sausage different size. Period. They are absolutely no different from MB or Audi in this regard.
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I am very happy for anyone who sees the merit in this gen M5 and plunks down the $$ to get one. I truly hope it's a baller and that folks enjoy it. I'm also fine with AWD being added, but at what weight penalty we will see. My point is that next-gen M5s used to set a standard and be a leading edge product in the segment to include a bespoke, outrageous engine. It typically took 2-3 years for competitors to catch up. This gen M5 is going to be with us for six years and there appears to be nothing really different about it than the rest of the crowd. This keeps BMW in the game, nothing more. That's why I'm disappointed (definitely not a hater). I'm happy to be convinced otherwise
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It's Appropriate for the time being. Because you must take into take into consideration the additional and inevitable Competition Packet And further Potential as will happen to the M3 before it exits next year. There is potential and it's not going all the way just yet. The car is awesome as sitting in the passenger seat at a recent preview in which you could go on a ride-a-long under the cover of darkness. And where the First Edition car was shown along with the Marina Blue example.
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If we are talking trend setting, future and want to see M continue to exist then we have to be prepared to accept or indeed embrace that combustion engine will go.
Maybe the noise will be gone but there is nothing that can convince me that we will not be able to have fun and go fast in cars powered by alternative drive soon. I love the i8 drive and respect cars like the Tesla. I wish they handled better and they will as the tech and reality of their relevance evolves. |
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I am looking forward to a BMW ///M brighter than the BMW i8 that has electric assist that compliments the turbo and provides torque fill to illuminate the flat spots or turbo-lag.. |
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"My contract with Mclaren Honda ends next year (2017).. that's when I'll decide whether I'll continue to race in F1 or not. With this turbo engine (V6) I feel that F1 cars are now different to drive, I don't say it is better or worse, but I was lucky enough to drive cars from 2003, 2004, up until 2009..the cars were more extreme, more F1.... It's against racer's instincts to try to save fuel and tyres from the race start. And if these cars continue to give me the feeling I've had for the last couple of years, then maybe I'll stop racing in F1.... If you are just arriving in F1, the cars are fast and fun to drive, but for me who has driven all the cars, they are not enjoyable anymore. Not for me." I feel like there should be a fine distinction between mainstream cars that should be eco friendly (520d) and for cars that are designed to go to race tracks (M), considering that sales figure on the latter is considerably less by nature, so they should focus more on character and extremity than this "practicality" that BMW now advertises. It's not a joke that AMGs are actually faster around race tracks nowadays.
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I have lived with my X6 M for almost two years now, it has the identical motor as M5 and 8 speed tran, as well as AWD, i really don't think the ZF is bad for the combo, it's 95% quick to shift, and so much smother in slower speed. Looking forward for the F90 as I want it for my next so I can get back into a smaller sedan again.
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This is partially down to BMW's fault. They made the M-packaged models so common and desirable and sold them at a price point that every "enthusiast" now wants a BMW affiliated with BMW M. Plus this fills BMWs pockets. Hell, nearly every BMW sold today has an M package option. I'm also guilty of wanting that myself, and I'm the 99% that will never track either of my BMWs. And I'm the vast majority that desires a true M car, but will not care for what will make it a hardcore sports car. So yes, I'm also guilty as charged. I mean, just look at the new 5 and 7 Mxxx models. They put down 3.x second 0-60 times and 11.x Quarters which only real super cars were capable of about a decade ago. And these models will be sold at about 2-3 years for 50% of their price. All this while they're massaging your a$$ and nearly driving down the road and parking by themselves. How many true enthusiasts care for the former or latter versus the real driving experience? |
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The F90 m5 is actually longer than the x6m But it is shorter and narrower...true |
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Didn't they step down to a V6 TT?
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At this point all of this is moot, as what's done is already done, but it would be nice if BMW was transparent and would admit to the reasons why it chose to use another S63xx again and show financial data to reflect on how much money they are saving by not developing an all new engine. Or does BMW M seriously believe they no longer have the capacity or will to develop all new Motorsport gasoline-only engines for M cars? I just can't justify spending another $120k on a new M5 with the same exact engine as what I have been driving for the past 5 years. Can't do it. Surely you may have some inside information on why M is doing what they are doing these days.
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Yes sir they did. It's a pretty great engine too, from what I've read. Sounds 10x better than the S55 too! Lol!
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I'd say that's true of older AMG cars, but it has never been true of M cars.
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I appreciate the update on the engine in the upcoming M5. However, you didn't really touch base on the whole F vs G code for these cars. Can you elaborate on that at all SCOTT26 Thanks in advance,
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