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Aren't we supposed to be seeing 6-series mules already? I remember the f10 M5 and previous M6 were pretty much co-developed at some point. |
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It's very similar to how the S Class and Maybach (as a separate brand) came to be. |
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There's also the M3/M4CS (Club Sport) coming and most likely an M3 version of the M4 GTS. Last edited by lemetier; 04-26-2016 at 09:30 PM.. |
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BMW themselves claimed 7:55 for the F10 M5, which AMS ran 8:05, so the delta is about 10m sec. BMW said the CP version is 10 sec. faster, and AMS ran 7:54. Horst isn't exactly top flight race car driver but he is not slow either. And BMW never showed any proof, so who's not say they also cheated? Fact is the new CTS-V beats M5 CP in all the track tests by all the magazines reviews, they are all third party tests with stock cars. This is much more believable than any claimed times. You also claimed the new BMW 760 will trap 125+ in quarter mile, I don't know what your beef is with the other guy, but you have got some pretty bold claims yourself, it would be better if you can show some facts to back it up. |
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04-26-2016, 11:17 PM | #251 |
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Its an F10 with G30 design elements utilising an M3 Aerodynamic Packet.
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I just wish I'll be alive to see BMW M build something of their own..I know they want. |
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04-27-2016, 12:31 AM | #254 |
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A little more I for please.
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04-27-2016, 04:25 AM | #255 |
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Can't believe the next generation will still use that ridiculous cheap looking rear floating caliper. I hated that about my F10, couldn't get over it!
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04-27-2016, 10:28 AM | #257 | |
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There is a current gen CTS-V Nordschleife time. It's also been removed from easy online search (GM is not the only company to spend the money to do so). During the attempts, the car did experience a significant crash. This was the final straw for Nurburgring owners after a slew of incidents that put their insurance coverage at risk and implementation of the most restrictive speed limits were carried out. Waivers to speed limits were granted in certain areas with the warning any documented official lap time records by Manufacturers were not allowed. As to the M5 CP/MDP under 7:30, I know most, if not all of the driver's. This one in particular is the most humble and least "competitive" of the group. There is no reason to lie. I've driven it in 7:39.42 myself using a car from the same identically equipped fleet. I also do not drive the Nordschleife frequently enough to feel comfortable pushing the limits on certain sections given the situations where the F10 M5 has some unpredictable traits that appear in several areas of the circuit. The CTS-V and ATS-V are amazing cars. Both are a better overall package than the F10/F80/F82 M's. Where the Fxx M5/M6's show something spectacular is an area (speed range) where most can not experience. On the M760i (and Alpina B7), my estimates are not just pulling numbers out of my ass. They also are very surprising to me as to how small evolutions of vehicle dynamics have such an immense impact. There is something called Physics from which vehicle performance can be calculated using the principles of it. It requires some technical information to be available to do so. With both of those cars, there are public figures that have not been released where reverse extrapolation can be used. Direct calculation requires internal knowledge of certain values and component operation and use would violate my ND agreements. As soon as the preliminary asterisks and TBD figures convert to MFR Estimates, I'll happily use those and provide the evidence. The Fxx M5/M6 could be significantly faster both in time and velocity if they weren't hampered by the significant tractive force limitation and drivetrain resistance at lower velocities. The tricks the Nissan GTR utilize to achieve its high figures appear in the B7, M760i, and upcoming M's. Some already appear which is why the current M5/M6, when equipped a certain way, have very different acceleration values above a particular velocity point. |
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04-27-2016, 01:51 PM | #260 | |
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Weight and the mass distribution will definitely change, especially with the F90. |
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04-27-2016, 03:45 PM | #261 |
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We're going to see more M2-like front intakes I think.
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04-27-2016, 05:56 PM | #262 |
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It will be familiar but unique. The cooling intake air volume, engine fresh air intake routing, aerodynamic effects, and brake cooling have been optimized. No need for the total frontal volume to be as high (hence the availability of ACC) nor does it require as much ram effect as the M2. Active Aerodynamics are also being implemented.
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As for the 760, look, the newest X5M (while a little heavier than 760) is not anywhere close to trapping 120, in fact it doesn't even trap 115. Mercedes S63 doesn't trap 120 either. So with all that weight, unless the 760 is making 760HP, no way it will trap 125+. Maybe I will buy it trapping 120, but 125+? That's stretching it too much. Last edited by Phatcat; 04-28-2016 at 03:55 AM.. |
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04-28-2016, 02:30 PM | #264 | |
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On the other topic, the X5M isn't a little heavier, it's almost 207kg more than the M760i (DIN-DIN). It also has 20% more frontal area and almost 30% more aerodynamic drag. The M760i and S63 (LWB) have the exact same curb weight (4806lbs), tiny aerodynamic advantage for the BMW, yet the S63 consistently produces performance numbers within spitting distance of the much heavier X5M/X6M. If the Bentley Continental GT3-R can pull off an 11.54 @ 122.1 with a slightly higher weight, much more drag above 110km/h, and less BHP/Torque available, why would 2.9 mph more be unimaginable for the slippery BMW? |
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