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      10-13-2022, 12:45 PM   #100
Sophisticated Redneck
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Originally Posted by shawnhayes View Post
I trust the company, but the whole "additive" idea begs a VERY SPECIFIC question.

WHY NOT HAVE IT IN THE OIL ANYWAY?

If it isn't in the oil that's BMW approved, there's a reason. They know it, and just get them to cop to it.

My buddies at Exxon/Mobil say it makes the oil a little abrasive in too high a concentration. It works great at startup (cause it's sitting on the surfaces), but the higher the concentration gets the less likelihood that it helps.

A lot of oil makers have gotten away from high moly suspect for these reasons. Liqui-moly doesn't put it in the "off the shelf" products mostly. And it's in their name. So, WHY?

Shawn
Look no further then why BMW tells your transmission oil is lifetime (directly against what ZF recommends) or why your engine compartment is locked up like a tomb, ensuring all those nifty plastic and rubber bits fail soon after 5-6years, just in time for a new loan/lease. The goal is not to make a car that lasts forever, the goal is to get you coming back in a reasonable amount of time. 100k miles or less is that number. You driving around in a 10 year old BMW does them no good. As the masses transition to electric, it's the very reason why battery tech will never surpass 5-6years or 100k miles without significant degrading performance/reliability. Morals and ethics aside, It is absolutely horrible for business to create a product that rarely needs replacement. And here we are.

With that being said, I can see the abrasive argument for Mos2. However protection from LSPI bearing damage and startup wear tips the scales in it's favor by a large margin IMHO.

But all of this is just bench racing, let's talk real world results. Are there many users posting examples of 10 year old 180+ mile engines outputting 150+hp per liter pushing 5500lbs (think about that, it's like pulling a 1000+lb trailer in your M and then flogging it all the time) running just straight oil up on Bob's? Or is just all hypothetical?

I will acknowledge that my experience is anecdotal and could just be a lucky fluke, but considering this is on the original n63 engine, the engine that BMW lost a class action lawsuit over....well then it's one hell of a fluke.

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