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Originally Posted by NYG
Lol...
McLaren defeated Senna, Schumacher, Prost, Lauda, Hunt, Hill, Andretti, Piquet, Mansell, Villenueve, etc. in 5 different eras.
I don't even know how you can compare such a historically insignificant team like Mercedes to McLaren. They're up there with Ferrari in the annals of F1. Mercedes isn't even close to being on the level of Williams. Recency bias/10
The only thing I can give Mercedes credit for is building the most dominant F1 car within an era of all time. It was smooth sailing for them for almost the entire era and they're off to a really terrible start to the new era.
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Like I said before historically mclaren is the better team. But none of that past transfers over to building new cars today. Those mclaren engineers that helped pushed mclaren to the top are all gone now. It would be like saying look at the Edmonton Oilers they've won so many cups with Gretzky they're amazing they should be better than the golden knights since their history is so good. Well that doesn't matter anymore because times have changed, hockey is played differently now and those players are retired. The same applies to F1.
Look at the recent decade, after 2008 mclaren went downhill. They haven't been remotely close to fighting for titles ever since.
Historical significance doesn't mean much, performance means everything and mclaren has not been performing after '08. Look at williams very historically significant team, but they are at the back of the field. Why is that? Because history means nothing in terms of todays performance, if you get caught sleeping you're done for. That's what happened to ferrari for so long, and it took them forever to break out.
Mercedes is not a "recency bias" phenomenon, they won 8 straight with multiple regulation changes. They've proven they have the best engineers, and the know how to win today. Not
yesterday but today. This also applies to redbull, an "insiginificant team historically" but absolutely one of the best teams of today - far surpassing mclaren.
Oh yeah one more thing, mclaren doesn't even have the same level of infrarstructure as mercedes. Mercedes has the state of the art chassis dynos, wind tunnels, and faciltiies. Mclaren is still rebuilding and developing their infrastructure and it will not be done for a couple more years. So right now in terms of solving porposing it will be mercedes that has the upper hand advantage, they have shown they have the skill, the know how, the work experience and resources to get things done. Mclaren is not on the level of mercedes in this regard and will not be for some time to come. An example is their 2022 car, mercedes even with a crap car developed with the least amount of CFD and wind tunnel time is 3rd fastest, mclaren isn't even in the points - that shows you right there the capabilities of either team.