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Originally Posted by LSM
Front engine rear wheel drive cars will never handle as well as a mid engined car. Cayman handles better than any M car
992 does not have the oil pickup engine issues and they weigh significantly less than M cars
Porsche's consistently run better than bmw's on most all tracks and I run better in Porsche's myself and it isn't close
Rings time don't mean shit but every manufacturer puts a ton of weight on it or they wouldn't bother testing it
My original post said Any Porsche GT car would be a superior track car to the new M3/M4 which either has an auto trans or manual and guaranteed to weigh 3800lbs min.
No mid engine car has 50/50 weight distribution. So the cayman, Ferrari's McClaren etc all mid engine don't have 50/50 weight distribution. I guess M's have a superior set to those cars too bc they don't have 50/50 weight distribution?
Lastly on weight distribution have you seen the weight distribution of M cars that are awd not 50/50 and not close to 50/50
The 911 def has the engine in the wrong place but it has incredible grip, steering and handling. Nothing in BMW's lineup feels close. RWS helps a ton as well
Back to my original rebuttal a Porsche would be a better track car than the new M3/M4
Not knocking the M3/M4 had an F82 M4 comp loved it and looking forward to new m3/M4 but I'm not optimistic about how it will drive. Owned an F90 M5 hated it, drove an M8 comp for a day didn't like it either. New M's are heavy fast and great GT cars but their steering is poor, suspension feels unsorted, and the driving thrill is gone
Hope the new M3/M4 are way more sport and way less big heavy GT that's got 10000 HP
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I guess it really depends on what balance you are looking for in a car.
I have driven 718 Cayman S hard on tight roads and I did not like the handling characteristics on non air suspension to the point that I would never trade my E92 M3 for one. Transmission(PDK) is amazing but suspension is strangely harsh at low speed yet too wobbly at high lateral G situations. Given, E92 M3 V8 is virtually a front-midship layout as opposed to inline 6s that hang out over the front struts (a more conventional front engine layout) and sits lower to the ground being crossplane V8 so it naturally has better balance than what is offered now.
You say supercars don't have FR layout but F12 Berlinetta disagrees, so does every Aston Martin/Mercedes/Corvette up to the current generation. Supercars with over 600 bhp use midship layout because it provides them best rear traction off the get go and provide that exclusivity, less about racing pedigree. Yes, as bhp gets higher it is more logical to use mid engine layout but neither Ms nor 911s are at that level yet.
I should also mention that early midship layouts such as Lamborghini diablo and many 911s up to 997s suffered from nose lifting at high speeds and subsequent instability due to lighter front. It is not a stable design from the get go. Also the reason why 992s moved towards more midship layout vs. RR to provide more neutral balance.