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Originally Posted by ASAP
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Originally Posted by Janjohn
Toyota and Nissan are in a different market than BMW. BMW’s are much more expensive and the buyers have much higher expectations. Buyer’s in the Toyota market value reliability, fuel efficiency, and competitive pricing.
In other words plastic vs carbon fiber.
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i am not sure how the reliability conversation comes into play here... toyota buyers are arguably the most demanding when it comes to that... Toyota failed miserably there w the turbo motors |
Absolutely. My mechanic was a rabid Toyota fan. I think he worked at a BMW dealership before he went independent. He is very good and honest. He likes me and my wife so tells us to buy Toyotas and Honda. He is in a depression about these awful twin turbo Lexus & Toyota engines. They not only fail quickly but they are underpowered and get bad gas mileage.
We took a relative's 2018 4Runner to him and he loves it. He did an oil change and checked everything. We went back the next day. He said the guys at the parts department said the dealership will not take twin turbos in trade! I said you have to be kidding and he said no.
I have a neighbor in our development of 240 homes. I was exiting the development and he has a new RX550 Lexus (SUV truck). He wanted to speed so he passes me on a double yellow line. I almost floored it because my N55 is about 1.5 seconds faster to 0-60. I let him go.
I looked up the specs on these new very expensive Toyota SUV/Jeep things versus X5 and X7. BMW's are now about the same price. Using a B58 in the X5 or X7, the BMW's versus the RX550 got an average of 5 mpg better gas milage and 0-60 was about 1.7 to 2 seconds faster.
You have to also think they are underpowered and straining so they will burn them up faster.