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      03-06-2018, 12:21 AM   #1
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2018 BMW M5 F90 vs E63 S AMG by review Automobile Magazine

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"According to the official data sheets, the E63 S weighs 4,515 pounds, about 145 pounds heavier than the new M5, which itself has shed 33 pounds thanks in part to its carbon fiber roof. Subjectively, the all-in BMW feels a tad lighter and thus a tick more agile than the fully loaded AMG. ...

The latest E63 S is a very fine piece of kit, but in certain areas it is not quite as well-honed as the new M5. Take the steering, for example. The M5’s variable-effort rack operates with commendable precision and response. Steering angle and steering effort work in total harmony, even when you start changing through Comfort, Sport, and Sport Plus modes. The E63’s steering feels meaty and switched-on, but the self-centering force is somewhat exaggerated, and it takes a more conscious effort to dial in lock. Wind on more, and the feedback starts to blur just a touch. In a nutshell, the AMG engineers, the software specialists, and the suppliers came up with a 110 percent solution that is, in certain situations, too clever for its own good. The steering of the M5 is more linear, and its response has more depth. Advantage: BMW, but not by much."

Full article: http://www.automobilemag.com/news/20...titans-part-4/
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And everyone had their panties in a bunch before worrying about the E63S. Imagine what the competition package M5 can do.
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I will agree that AMG was outdone this time around. Being fair - the F10 was outdone by the previous AMG E63S - so it keeps coming around; but the fact the "base" F90 M5 is quicker and faster than the new E63S is actually pretty astounding. I see a quick power bump for the E63S, whether AMG announces it or not lol. As the above poster stated - the Comp package isn't even out yet - that will become embarrassing to MB.
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I have a 2018 E63s and have an HEA M5 being held hostage at port. I cannot wait to get the M5 and compare the two.

I will say the sound the E63 makes is a drug... the only thing that worries me about the M5 is the exhaust note and that the styling is more subdued.
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I have a 2018 E63s and have an HEA M5 being held hostage at port. I cannot wait to get the M5 and compare the two.

I will say the sound the E63 makes is a drug... the only thing that worries me about the M5 is the exhaust note and that the styling is more subdued.
As per pretty much any review - the E63S sound is superior when it comes to volume and intensity. The M5 with the exhaust fully opened sounds quite good as per many of the video clips out there - but will not be as intense as the Merc.
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I have a 2018 E63s and have an HEA M5 being held hostage at port. I cannot wait to get the M5 and compare the two.

I will say the sound the E63 makes is a drug... the only thing that worries me about the M5 is the exhaust note and that the styling is more subdued.
I had a GT350 that I just sold....which had an arguably better sounding exhaust than the e63. I aint worried...there is always aftermarket.
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I have a 2018 E63s and have an HEA M5 being held hostage at port. I cannot wait to get the M5 and compare the two.

I will say the sound the E63 makes is a drug... the only thing that worries me about the M5 is the exhaust note and that the styling is more subdued.
You really think M5 styling is more subdued than e63s? I think the opposite.
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You really think M5 styling is more subdued than e63s? I think the opposite.
Yes,
The E63s styling is way wider, lower, just a much more aggressive car than the M5 in my opinion. Even the AMG sport seats give the car a different feel than a regular sedan.
The M5 is more a luxury Suoer sedan.
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Good stuff. Can't wait to see what real owners report when taking to the F90 to an actual scale. The article states only 33lbs dropped, I tend to believe this figure more than what other journalists have reported as being much more weight loss. Not sure what to say about that, but I will say that if you swap the sunroof out of the F10 M5 with an aftermarket Carbon Roof, you will drop 66lbs from the vehicle. Wish M would've given the F90 Carbon Core at least, to really lighten the chassis up. I suspect that if the next gen G90 M5 really does go hybrid, then it could be even heavier still with that added battery pack. Other than weight, it seems to me that the new E63S and F90 M5 are closer than ever in performance.
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Not sure what to say about that, but I will say that if you swap the sunroof out of the F10 M5 with an aftermarket Carbon Roof, you will drop 66lbs from the vehicle. Wish M would've given the F90 Carbon Core at least, to really lighten the chassis up. I suspect that if the next gen G90 M5 really does go hybrid, then it could be even heavier still with that added battery pack. Other than weight, it seems to me that the new E63S and F90 M5 are closer than ever in performance.
Once you go after market, you can get large weight losses. There would probably be hood and trunk swaps to carbon fiber too. (Or simply take out the rear seats, for that matter).

I think it is inevitable that the 2024 E63 and M5 would at least have a mild hybrid system, if not a full plug-in hybrid, because of ever tightening emissions and CAFE standards. Mercedes is already doing this with their AMG 53 line (20+hp starter that can double as a electric motor for coasting, etc...), and the top-end AMG 73 line is rumored to have a 700+ hp hybrid monster of a drive train. The top-end Porsche Panamera (Turbo S) is now a hybrid as well.
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Yes,
The E63s styling is way wider, lower, just a much more aggressive car than the M5 in my opinion. Even the AMG sport seats give the car a different feel than a regular sedan.
The M5 is more a luxury Suoer sedan.
Your views are certainly not objective, just check the dimensions in the artcle... way wider so you feel
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You really think M5 styling is more subdued than e63s? I think the opposite.
Agreed. The e63s rear is not aggressive at all and the front looks like a C. The fact that you have to upgrade to a sport seat basically tell you the general target of that car. I guess look can be very subjective.
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Agreed. The e63s rear is not aggressive at all and the front looks like a C. The fact that you have to upgrade to a sport seat basically tell you the general target of that car. I guess look can be very subjective.
Yes very subjective . I am very fortunate to be able to own both cars. All I am saying is if you compare the E43 to the E63s the E63 is both more aggressive sculpted in a way where you KNOW it is not a normal E class from pretty much all angles.

The M5 is beautiful as well but when I saw it at the LA auto show there was not much styling differences between an M5 and a M550. Its just more discreet of a car.
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Yes very subjective . I am very fortunate to be able to own both cars. All I am saying is if you compare the E43 to the E63s the E63 is both more aggressive sculpted in a way where you KNOW it is not a normal E class from pretty much all angles.

The M5 is beautiful as well but when I saw it at the LA auto show there was not much styling differences between an M5 and a M550. Its just more discreet of a car.
damn dude nice getting both! I personally feel the E63 looks too much like a C class and the F90 too much like the G30. The MB exhaust is really wild though and probably the most fun sounding. BMW needs to really let Ms have nicer sounding exhausts.

I on the other hand have gone in a completely different direction.
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damn dude nice getting both! I personally feel the E63 looks too much like a C class and the F90 too much like the G30. The MB exhaust is really wild though and probably the most fun sounding. BMW needs to really let Ms have nicer sounding exhausts.

I on the other hand have gone in a completely different direction.
Looks fantastic! The RS7 is the only thing that makes me a bit hesitant to drop the hammer on the M5 when my allocation is available. That Audi is elegant and mean. Awesome stuff.
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damn dude nice getting both! I personally feel the E63 looks too much like a C class and the F90 too much like the G30. The MB exhaust is really wild though and probably the most fun sounding. BMW needs to really let Ms have nicer sounding exhausts.

I on the other hand have gone in a completely different direction.
Always loved the RS7, but not so much for the new gen A7.
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A7, S7, RS7 just donít look good. Too wide. Weird back. Sorry not a fan.
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Looks fantastic! The RS7 is the only thing that makes me a bit hesitant to drop the hammer on the M5 when my allocation is available. That Audi is elegant and mean. Awesome stuff.
Thanks. I think all the three bigs like the E63, M5, and RS7 are fantastic cars. You can't really go wrong with any of them.

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Always loved the RS7, but not so much for the new gen A7.
Agreed. Not a fan of the new A7 in the slightest. In fact, if you look closely on the base A6/A7 models the exhausts are fake! Not a good look imo.

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A7, S7, RS7 just don’t look good. Too wide. Weird back. Sorry not a fan.
I disagree. The current gens look great. The RS7 sits lower than the M5 and doesn't feel as bulky as my F10 M5. The new M5 styling is a huge turnoff for me though because it's bland and virtually indistinguishable from a G30 with msport. I hope they fix it with the LCI refresh.
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Has anyone been able to drive the new M5? I have both an M5 and an E63s on order but I plan to only take delivery of one and I'm struggling greatly with the decision. Man, this is a lot harder decision to make than I thought it would be. I haven't driven the M5 but I have driven the E63s. I currently own an M550i so I'm assuming driving the M5 won't be too drastically different.
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