[onfireX5]

Originally Posted by evanevery

The upcoming 2020 Tesla Roadster is slated to have a range of 620 miles... You can reserve one now if you have the $$$$.

(..and 0-60 in 1.9 with a top speed over 250 MPH...)

Trust but verify...,... before $

[evanevery]

Originally Posted by onfireX5

Trust but verify...,... before $

A wise decision...

However, I had my ModelX on order before any were being delivered and Musk hit all the marks...

More than 400,000 customers had Model3's on order before the vehicle was ever produced and it also hit all the specs...

The line just gets longer....

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by evanevery

A wise decision...

However, I had my ModelX on order before any were being delivered and Musk hit all the marks...

More than 400,000 customers had Model3's on order before the vehicle was ever produced and it also hit all the specs...

The line just gets longer....

Tesla needs all the future deposits to build the current production line. Sounds more like a pyramid scheme to me

Serious question though, have any of these companies figured out a way to recycle all these battery cells once they hit their charge cycle limit?

[evanevery]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

Tesla needs all the future deposits to build the current production line. Sounds more like a pyramid scheme to me

Serious question though, have any of these companies figured out a way to recycle all these battery cells once they hit their charge cycle limit?

Then count me in as a happy "pyramid" owner... They got my money - I got my car. Fine by me. Tesla doesn't need future deposits to build their production line. They are simply in the enviable position of a very successful company who's continually working to try to catch up with ever accelerating demand. Not a bad problem to have. Deposits on orders just make sure that only people who are serious in making an order get a spot in line...

Yes, of course. Battery contents are easily and routinely reused and recycled. Tesla actually bought another company to do this. Who's telling you otherwise? (...and why ;-)

Additionally, the ModelX is my second long-term daily driver EV (the first being a Volt), and we've never seen the battery capacity drop "1 mile" on either vehicle...

[Ex_Stig]

Originally Posted by evanevery

Yes, of course. Battery contents are easily and routinely recycled. Who's telling you otherwise?

No one is telling me otherwise. It is an independent thought that I have had since the Prius first came out.

[onfireX5]

"a very successful company"

[TheRealOrosie]

Originally Posted by onfireX5

"a very successful company"

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by onfireX5

"a very successful company"

To be fair though, you should also put the stock price chart up.

[TtiMe]

Originally Posted by GNALUZU

No one is telling me otherwise. It is an independent thought that I have had since the Prius first came out.

I've been making this point for a long time as well and people just say we'll recycle it!!! haha doesn't work like that!! Supposedly it can be broken down to a degree and stripped, but honestly I'm sure its no different then my 20V Dewalt battery that gets "recycled" aka put on a boat and shipped to china. There was also a good article on pure EV cars and at the rate Tesla wants to grow we'll be out of Lithium in like 15-20 years. It's great in idea but no way is the current battery situation a long term solution. Not too mention what happens if you have say 20-25% of the country charging cars all at the same time (like night), I don't think our grids can support that.

[Bönz]

Originally Posted by TtiMe

There was also a good article on pure EV cars and at the rate Tesla wants to grow we'll be out of Lithium in like 15-20 years.

This ^^^

Lithium is a (finite) conflict mineral and far less available than oil. Given this, battery weight and recycling (and other) issues, is why EVs will switch to hydrogen fuel cells as the tech improves. HFCs also fit our current fill-at-the-pump paradigm, providing for long distant travel. The motors, controls and software currently in use will easily transition to HFC powered EVs.

[onfireX5]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

To be fair though, you should also put the stock price chart up.

I totally understand, but I’m a numbers guy. Stock evaluations are based on numerical data and emotions. Emotions alter reality positively and negatively.

Cash Flow is what it is.

[Phatcat]

Originally Posted by onfireX5

I totally understand, but I’m a numbers guy. Stock evaluations are based on numerical data and emotions. Emotions alter reality positively and negatively.

Cash Flow is what it is.

Don't know where Tesla will be in the future but it is a 50B dollar company so it certainly is a successful company, for now anyways.

[onfireX5]

Originally Posted by Phatcat

Don't know where Tesla will be in the future but it is a 50B dollar company so it certainly is a successful company, for now anyways.

So, Market Cap is the definition of successful ? Please explain. Also, add in the amount of taxpayer subsidies to the Cap
evaluation.

[mjr24]

Originally Posted by evanevery

That's because it IS part minivan/van/wagon! There is always the Model S if you don't want an SUV. Its performance (and likely build quality) is even better...

I like the Model S but, damn, they seem to be a dime a dozen around here!

[evanevery]

Originally Posted by mjr24

I like the Model S but, damn, they seem to be a dime a dozen around here!

You think they are popular here, you should see them in Hong Kong! Seems as many Model S in Hong Kong as Taxis. Always saw 2 or 3 in the traffic at any particular red light.

[evanevery]

Originally Posted by TtiMe

I've been making this point for a long time as well and people just say we'll recycle it!!! haha doesn't work like that!! Supposedly it can be broken down to a degree and stripped, but honestly I'm sure its no different then my 20V Dewalt battery that gets "recycled" aka put on a boat and shipped to china. There was also a good article on pure EV cars and at the rate Tesla wants to grow we'll be out of Lithium in like 15-20 years. It's great in idea but no way is the current battery situation a long term solution. Not too mention what happens if you have say 20-25% of the country charging cars all at the same time (like night), I don't think our grids can support that.

Batteries are being both re-used and recycled. Often, you can pull a single bad cell out of a pack, replace it, and then put the rebuilt pack right back into circulation. Worst case the battery packs can be stripped, smelted and reconstituted. There are companies doing this right now.

Additionally, I've never seen any loss of range or battery degradation in either of the EV's I have owned.

Are you fighting as valiantly for the elimination of dirty coal, refinery discharge, other toxic waste, or dirty grid power generation as you seem to be concerned about EV battery recycling?

There is very little to compare here. If that is your game then you REALLY should be driving an EV!

[evanevery]

Originally Posted by onfireX5

"a very successful company"

Investing in its own expansion?

A Very Successful Company:

[onfireX5]

Originally Posted by evanevery

Investing in its own expansion?

A Very Successful Company:

Selling units of ice cream, etc is only defined as selling units. An old joke went: “we bought a truckload of watermelons for $500 and sold them for $300.....what should we do????? Buy two truckloads next ? “

I’ve yet to see any numerical data that proves Tesla is a very successful company. Although I will admit I admire Musk. He is a genius at political capital and public capital creation. Arguably, the best ever.

We had a local company here that created a Market Cap of $15 billion. Some (many) folks thought they were highly successful......just went through liquidation.

[TtiMe]

Originally Posted by evanevery

Worst case the battery packs can be stripped, smelted and reconstituted. There are companies doing this right now.

Additionally, I've never seen any loss of range or battery degradation in either of the EV's I have owned.

Are you fighting as valiantly for the elimination of dirty coal, refinery discharge, other toxic waste, or dirty grid power generation as you seem to be concerned about EV battery recycling?

There is very little to compare here. If that is your game then you REALLY should be driving an EV!

Typically when cells are dead that battery is over, right now they can rebuild and take there time but eventually there'll be a cost to recycle that car or batteries. Go read forums, I believe there was an article on MT about this, temps (extreme cold or heat) do affect range and battery degradation. Yes, they can smelt it, but there's a by product from doing that, isn't that what were trying to stop is the burning process. I'm not fighting for or against rather trying to point out truths, there seems to be this huge notion that EVs are purely "green" and zero emissions and its simply not true. Currently a vehicle that gets about 40-45 mpg has the same affect from start to finish as a an EV in the overall process. I don't own an EV however we do own a Malibu hybrid that get 45-48 mpg and do hope to see more hybrids in the future. I see Evs as a stepping stone rather than a long term solution. Ultimately I think they'll figure out a way to clean up the process for hydrogen.

[DallasLife345M]

Can we rename this thread to the EV discussion? Thanks

[sealionbeast]

Isn't there a Tesla forum? I thought the point of this thread was to discuss the acceleration of the new M5.

[onfireX5]

You guys are correct. No more biz dis from me. Mine is at the port awaiting the ship. Can't wait to vbox the accel to compare to C & D and R & T. Supposedly, RT recorded the same accel numbers as CD !