[drgmt]

BMW has given you the best of both worlds.

A rear biased all wheel drive solution.

If you don't like it turn it off and it's pure RWD.

If it snows or gets really wet turn it on and go faster safely.

You have the choice. There is nothing to whinge about.

How can you compare a once a month driving Ferrari or McLaren to a daily M5? And a corvette ? Please. Try and apply full throttle on a wet road surface. It's carnage.

I can understand the whinge if it was permanent AWD - but now we have full customisability. Everyone wins.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by tommytexter

How can Maclaren 720s, dodge demon, ferrari 488gtb, all have more hp than M5, all have rwd only, but all faster than M5 in both 0 to 60 and quarter mile????

Uhmmm... Demon built to be a drag strip monster... I would certainly hope it would crush in the quarter, considering that was Dodge's purpose in releasing that car?

Ferrari 488gtb and McLaren - are you seriously asking why these cars are faster 0-60 and 1/4 over the F90? Seriously?! Why aren't you asking why the e63s or rs6/rs7 aren't faster than a Ferrari / McLaren / Lamborghini / Koen / Pagani as well?

[bmwmnation]

Originally Posted by tommytexter

How can Maclaren 720s, dodge demon, ferrari 488gtb, all have more hp than M5, all have rwd only, but all faster than M5 in both 0 to 60 and quarter mile????

Lol because two of them are way more aerodynamic, weigh hundreds of pounds less and have way more superior electronic aids to help with grip. Dodge demon was built to race in a straight line, and has way more power than an m5...

[frankchn]

Originally Posted by bmwmnation

Lol because two of them are way more aerodynamic, weigh hundreds of pounds less and have way more superior electronic aids to help with grip. Dodge demon was built to race in a straight line, and has way more power than an m5...

The Demon also needs Nitto NT05R drag radials to utilize its full power. Not sure M5 owners will be pleased with tires that cannot be used in temperatures below 15F or have to store their tires in a 68F or higher environment for 24 hours before mounting.

[tommytexter]

Originally Posted by bmwmnation

Lol because two of them are way more aerodynamic, weigh hundreds of pounds less and have way more superior electronic aids to help with grip. Dodge demon was built to race in a straight line, and has way more power than an m5...

What i was asking is not why these cars have more power but why these cars can handle more power by only 2 wheels

[tommytexter]

Originally Posted by shoei

Uhmmm... Demon built to be a drag strip monster... I would certainly hope it would crush in the quarter, considering that was Dodge's purpose in releasing that car?

Ferrari 488gtb and McLaren - are you seriously asking why these cars are faster 0-60 and 1/4 over the F90? Seriously?! Why aren't you asking why the e63s or rs6/rs7 aren't faster than a Ferrari / McLaren / Lamborghini / Koen / Pagani as well?

What i was asking is not why these cars are faster and have more power but why these cars can go faster and handle more power by only 2 wheels...come on

[frankchn]

Originally Posted by tommytexter

What i was asking is not why these cars are faster and have more power but why these cars can go faster and handle more power by only 2 wheels...come on

All the cars you listed have wider rear tires (305/315/325s) than the M5 (285), so bigger contact patch => more traction => better 0-60 times, where traction is really important.

In addition, the Ferrari and the McLaren are also significantly lighter than the M5 (the McLaren is 1000+ pounds lighter), so the already wider tires are under less load and should perform better. The Demon has similar weight to the M5, and so has to use drag radials in order to put power down.

I suspect the M5 will post similar 0-60 times in 2WD as in 4WD if you fit the Demon's 315/40R18 drag radials to the rears instead of 285 all seasons and put an experienced driver behind the wheel.

[drgmt]

Originally Posted by tommytexter

What i was asking is not why these cars are faster and have more power but why these cars can go faster and handle more power by only 2 wheels...come on

You have to look at the car for what it is.

The best performance sedan on the market today - in looks and performance. A car that can double as a family car and a racing car with a flick of a switch. Very few cars offer so much at such a great price point.

Ultimately I will own it as soon as the competition pack is released. Then I'll tune it and enjoy it for a good few years. Unless an equivalent M6 with x drive is released. I prefer the M6 body styling slightly (unless the M5 miraculously gets flared rear wheel arches like the M3)

[Calvin36]

Always loved the M5. Glad they have a 4wd now so we have an option!

[NYAWE60]

Originally Posted by YXEM5

Soooooo am I the only one that thinks being one tenth of a second faster in the quarter and the 0-60 means absolutely nothing?

They might as well stop with the all these strait line comparisons. In the real world there is no difference that can be felt. It will be styling, feel and character that differentiate these two cars. And those are completely subjective. They are both beautiful cars that do exactly what they are supposed too.

Congrats to BMW though, their d!ck is officially one tenth longer!?

I had this conversation with my brother yesterday. The summary was just buy the car you enjoy and think is beautiful. It's all a big pissing contest today. In real world driving no one is launching their car light to light. The feel, level of engagement, build quality and aesthetics become much more important at that point. In two years the new Tesla Roadster will totally demolish everything so enjoy this while it lasts.

[JeremyDFW]

Originally Posted by drgmt

It may look that way - but the quality in the Benz is not there - although it may look better.

The C63S has terrible interior build quality compared to my M3.

I own both a C63S and an M3, and I disagree (respectfully ?) on the interiors. The MB is much more comfortable, and outside of the NAV screen looking like an iPad mini jammed into the dash, it's just far more appealing. Now, the M3 handles better and will outrun it in a long run, but that sound and torque of the MB is amazing.

Both are awesome machines...

[clbmw]

I wonder how many people on this forum would develop panic attacks if the F90 M5 Competition Pack was cancelled

[drgmt]

Originally Posted by JeremyDFW

I own both a C63S and an M3, and I disagree (respectfully ?) on the interiors. The MB is much more comfortable, and outside of the NAV screen looking like an iPad mini jammed into the dash, it's just far more appealing. Now, the M3 handles better and will outrun it in a long run, but that sound and torque of the MB is amazing.

Both are awesome machines...

It's all good. Differing opinions are what this is all about.

I've seen a few C63s come into my Indie mechanic and the wear and tear and rattles in the interior are unbelievable.

The seats in the C63s I'm not a great fan of both in terms of leather trim and comfort.

Remember also in Australia the C63s commands a 20K premium over the M3 competition pack.

The C63s interior definitely looks the business inside - but quality of materials on the BMW including the Leather in my opinion is better.

The deal breaker for me is the cut out rear headlights on the sedan that carry over to the E63. Looks to much like an old Hyundai Sonata. The C63s coupe on the other hand is a thing of beauty from the rear but with two kids isn't practical at all as a daily driver.

[drgmt]

Originally Posted by clbmw

I wonder how many people on this forum would develop panic attacks if the F90 M5 Competition Pack was cancelled

Obd tuning will compensate somewhat if it doesn't arrive.


BMW is strongly hinting at restructuring all M cars

1. Base model
2. Competition
3. CS
4. CSL

It's very likely coming.

[Greer]

Both cars a great. The E63s may be the car for me after the F90 M5.