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Have you driven a modern BMW with the ZF 8-speed in manual mode? You CAN downshift and have plenty of engine braking with any modern automatic transmission. Especially this one I would think since it has converter lock up in all gears! The press release specifically mentions multiple downshifts (going down more than one gear in one shift) being incorporated. |
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- Weight: about 4200 lbs or 1800kg. AWD system adds about 140 lbs to the car or 63.5kg. The F10 weighed in at 1870kg, so the F90 could be an estimated 70kg lighter than the F10, even though it has the addition of 63,5kg of AWD system over the F10... Without the AWD system the F90 would be a whopping 136,5kg (300lbs) lighter than the F10... With the AWD it's 70kg (154lbs) lighter... All this of course according to the weight estimate given in that thread |
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Humorous intro to the new F90 M5's M xDrive
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I don't understand why people are getting upset that this will be the first AWD M car. They keep saying you can turn the freaking thing off and still cry. I expect in a few years for this to be a classic and memorized for it being the first.
Just to be sure, when are they expected to reveal this thing completely? I thought it was going to be Today?
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"The car is lighter than the previous generation" is a marketing statement which seems to be working. There was an opportunity to make it much lighter by not going 4wd (or at least offering a pure RWD option) that was missed/compromised for other design decisions. That's all. |
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Edit: Just realized, unless I am doing the conversion wrong...1800 kg is not 4,200 lbs. So that last thread needs some fact checking. |
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I just want to see this thing put against the Panamera Turbo and the E class amg and the equivalent Audi for a nice battle to see who's top dog
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Everyone complaining about AWD I bet will be the first to switch to it driving in snow or heavy rain or even at a traffic light or drag strip. Lol
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Now that the M5 is going AWD mode, what differentiates the M5 from the X5M or the X6M? Before, if you wanted a high performance premium sedan, you bought an M5. If you couldnt deal with RWD due to where you lived but still wanted a BMW performance car, you bought an X5/X6M. Now there are no differences.
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"True rwd" meaning what compared to the solution they are offering?
If you can choose rwd only on the M xDrive, then that is true rwd... Of course a "rwd only" version with 63,5kg less weight would be a different scenario... But how many M5 customers would trade superior traction combined with a rwd only option for a rwd only car that is slower and can't do anything the AWD car also can? It's not like the M5 is a track car where those 63,5kg you would save actually would make a difference under braking and cornering... The F90 is indicated to be as much as 70kg lighter than the F10 anyway |
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The ability to go from awd to 2wd has been around for decades. Now doing it in a performance application that allows torque vectoring. I think that is the key people are missing. |
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